(http://www.enworld.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=62661&d=1404927323)
No big shockers. I suppose some people might be turned off by tieflings and dragonborn, but no warforged, so that's good?
the biggest thing for me is that hopefully all those 4e fans that bitched about the price of the PHB will be quiet now, because you needed to buy what? 3 4e PHBs to get the same content?
And a preview
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dRELBQvJiBs/U72Q1QtwYbI/AAAAAAAABm8/Vr1ZbbaC20g/w665-h879-no/PH+Preview+Dwarf.jpg)
War Forged and Kendar (at least) are in the DMG. While playing monstrous races will be in the MM.
Oh and I believe the Elf entry in the PG will include Drow for all your Drizzt needs.
So all-in-all, nothing likely to upset anyone there.....
Quote from: Sacrosanct;766676And a preview
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dRELBQvJiBs/U72Q1QtwYbI/AAAAAAAABm8/Vr1ZbbaC20g/w665-h879-no/PH+Preview+Dwarf.jpg)
"Long memory, long grudges."
Yeah, that's me.
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No big shockers. I suppose some people might be turned off by tieflings and dragonborn, but no warforged, so that's good?
the biggest thing for me is that hopefully all those 4e fans that bitched about the price of the PHB will be quiet now, because you needed to buy what? 3 4e PHBs to get the same content?
The attachment didn't show up, Sacro.
Quote from: flyerfan1991;766681The attachment didn't show up, Sacro.
Really? It's there for me as an img tag
Not a fan of Dragon Born but easily remedied.
Quote from: Sacrosanct;766676And a preview
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dRELBQvJiBs/U72Q1QtwYbI/AAAAAAAABm8/Vr1ZbbaC20g/w665-h879-no/PH+Preview+Dwarf.jpg)
I wouldn't want to be on her bad side....
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No big shockers. I suppose some people might be turned off by tieflings and dragonborn, but no warforged, so that's good?
While it has zero impact on whether I buy it or not, I would have loved to see warforged included.
Quote from: Brander;766693While it has zero impact on whether I buy it or not, I would have loved to see warforged included.
Same here I love the warforge.
Quote from: Sacrosanct;766670the biggest thing for me is that hopefully all those 4e fans that bitched about the price of the PHB will be quiet now, because you needed to buy what? 3 4e PHBs to get the same content?
2--and you'd get three more races to boot, plus five classes that appear to have been removed from the PH or subsumed into others (Warlord, Avenger, Invoker, Shaman, Warden). But for me, at least--and I'm the one who
started the whole kerfuffle on ENWorld and TBP--the price concern has been largely resolved by the release of Basic.
Quote from: flyerfan1991;766681The attachment didn't show up, Sacro.
You have to be logged into EnWorld to see it.
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OH, I didn't know that. Well then:
All the basic ones: human, elf, dwarf, halfling, gnome, half elf, half orc
also: dragonborn, tielfling,
I'm curious about the Dragon born. When I was a teenager, I freakin' loved the Draconians (and any other reptilian race). Pretty cool.
Quote from: Necrozius;766715I'm curious about the Dragon born. When I was a teenager, I freakin' loved the Draconians (and any other reptilian race). Pretty cool.
Their backstory was one of the few good things in 4e.
The bad thing was when WotC tried to shoehorn the Dragonborn into FR instead of letting them be part of the generic world they created for 4e.
Quote from: hexgrid;766707You have to be logged into EnWorld to see it.
Ah, that explains a lot. I don't have an ENWorld account.
I don't have problems with the list.
Sadly I'm sure Drow will be one of the Elf subraces...
Quote from: YourSwordisMine;766753I don't have problems with the list.
Sadly I'm sure Drow will be one of the Elf subraces...
pretty sure. The elf race section is the longest at 5 pages. I'm guessing drow are in as a subrace. Too many people like it.
Quote from: YourSwordisMine;766753Sadly I'm sure Drow will be one of the Elf subraces...
If they have Proficiency: Dual Scimitars I'll roll my eyes so hard that my skull will crack. :rant:
Quote from: flyerfan1991;766729Their backstory was one of the few good things in 4e.
The bad thing was when WotC tried to shoehorn the Dragonborn into FR instead of letting them be part of the generic world they created for 4e.
Dragonborn were a part of the FR world, they were just called different things: Like Dragon-Kin (
Monsters of Faerûn), Half-Dragons (one was described in the
Realms of War anthology) and even Saurials would've been good with Dragonborn stats. Granted 4E didn't use those terms (which would've been awesome) and instead plopped Tymanther into Mulhorand (OK in my book) but Dragon-ish guys were around in FR long before 4E came around.
And this doesn't even being to mention Races of Dragon supplement where Dragonborn (a ritual for someone to turn into a dragon and be re-born in the eyes of Bahamut) came from that I recall which could've easily been 'ported over into the Forgotten Realms campaign setting.
As for mulitple PHB, I don't think I ever bought one of them in 4E
JUST for the races, rather the multitude of classes, paragon paths, rituals, and magical items associated with such supplements. That they added some races to the book was fine, but not a grand reason to pick on up IMO.
Quote from: Necrozius;766765If they have Proficiency: Dual Scimitars I'll roll my eyes so hard that my skull will crack. :rant:
They won't.
Scimitars are light weapons so you only need Proficiency:Scimitar to dual wield them...
Quote from: jadrax;766774They won't.
Scimitars are light weapons so you only need Proficiency:Scimitar to dual wield them...
Which is great because I hate having to delve into the plethora of character options just to create the sort of character I envision. This was a pretty big problem for me in both v3.5 (ridiculous penalties IMO) and 4E (needed a special power to dual-wield w/o being a Fighter or Ranger). I'm glad this sort of simplicity is hard-coded into the rules.
Quote from: Batman;766776Which is great because I hate having to delve into the plethora of character options just to create the sort of character I envision. This was a pretty big problem for me in both v3.5 (ridiculous penalties IMO) and 4E (needed a special power to dual-wield w/o being a Fighter or Ranger). I'm glad this sort of simplicity is hard-coded into the rules.
In the RAW, what you can Duel Wield is a bit hit and miss tbh.
To get the benefits, you have to use two light weapons. So Dual Scimitar is fine, but Rapier and Dagger is out.
In the play test, there was a Feat that allowed you to have one non-light weapon, so you could use Rapier and Dagger, but there was no way of using two long swords or two battle axes.
The inclusion of dragonborn as an option pleases me. Much more interesting "big guys" than half-orcs in my opinion, and make for great Klingon-types in the right set up.
I won't allow Tieflings or Dragonborn in my game setting---unless someone uses them on the unclaimed continent, because my setting has a back story that boils down to "human wizards did it." They're responsible directly for dwarves, elves, and dragons and indirectly for halflings. There are in setting (or if you prefer "story") reasons for what happened and why they exist.
I also probably won't allow Sorcerers, or Warlocks, or the like if they're in, simply because I'm likely to be the GM, and I think magic users can have any source of power they like, but the mechanics will be the same, roughly.
Quote from: One Horse Town;766689Not a fan of Dragon Born but easily remedied.
As long as gnomes are back in and we are not getting three PHBs, I am cool. But pretty much my sentiment as well.
Quote from: jadrax;766790In the RAW, what you can Duel Wield is a bit hit and miss tbh.
To get the benefits, you have to use two light weapons. So Dual Scimitar is fine, but Rapier and Dagger is out.
In the play test, there was a Feat that allowed you to have one non-light weapon, so you could use Rapier and Dagger, but there was no way of using two long swords or two battle axes.
Right, though I'd rather spend a feat to dual-wield better weapons or weapon-combination rather than reducing a penalty to hit. Luckily a Human can grab a feat at 1st level in lieu of all +1's across the ability score board, so a Rapier / Dagger fighter at 1st level is easily do-able.
As for no TWF Dual Longswords, Rapier, Battleaxes it basically comes down to balance and game mechanics. I know there are RL example of dual-rapiers and other one-handed weapon, but from a game perspective it's just slightly OP (not ridiculous, just an always better option than two light or one light and one not light).
I also wouldn't be surprised if later down the road we didn't see something beef this up (akin to Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting from v3.5). Also, you can still use 2 one-handed weapons and just reflavor the off-hand as a die smaller because it's in your "off-hand" and you can't utilize the full potential of the weapon as if it was your dominant hand.
Quote from: Silverlion;766866I won't allow Tieflings or Dragonborn in my game setting---unless someone uses them on the unclaimed continent, because my setting has a back story that boils down to "human wizards did it." They're responsible directly for dwarves, elves, and dragons and indirectly for halflings. There are in setting (or if you prefer "story") reasons for what happened and why they exist.
I also probably won't allow Sorcerers, or Warlocks, or the like if they're in, simply because I'm likely to be the GM, and I think magic users can have any source of power they like, but the mechanics will be the same, roughly.
I'm not sure if I'm going to convert my Ravnica: City of Guilds campaign (taken from
Magic: The Gathering's Setting) that currently uses 4E-rules over to D&D:Next, but if I do I'll have to remove Dwarves, Halflings, Orcs, and Half-Orcs. Change Dragonborn to Viashino. Change Tieflings to Daemons. Create Minotaurs and Genasi (and then convert them to Elementals). And hope races like Goblins are an option in the DMG.
Quote from: Necrozius;766765If they have Proficiency: Dual Scimitars I'll roll my eyes so hard that my skull will crack. :rant:
If they go by forgotten realms standards it should be weapons mostly used in tight corners. Speaking about knives, daggers, and hand crossbow.
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No big shockers. I suppose some people might be turned off by tieflings and dragonborn, but no warforged, so that's good?
the biggest thing for me is that hopefully all those 4e fans that bitched about the price of the PHB will be quiet now, because you needed to buy what? 3 4e PHBs to get the same content?
Tieflings and Dragonborn. Me no likey. But to be honest, mainly interested in the monster manual. On the fence about the system at the moment, but we'll see how the free release plays out.
Quote from: jadrax;766774They won't.
Scimitars are light weapons so you only need Proficiency:Scimitar to dual wield them...
Yeah I know: I was just making a shitty Drizzt joke.
Quote from: Necrozius;766959Yeah I know: I was just making a shitty Drizzt joke.
Well, at least you didn't spell it Drizz't :nono:
Quote from: Batman;766878Right, though I'd rather spend a feat to dual-wield better weapons or weapon-combination rather than reducing a penalty to hit. Luckily a Human can grab a feat at 1st level in lieu of all +1's across the ability score board, so a Rapier / Dagger fighter at 1st level is easily do-able.
As for no TWF Dual Longswords, Rapier, Battleaxes it basically comes down to balance and game mechanics. I know there are RL example of dual-rapiers and other one-handed weapon, but from a game perspective it's just slightly OP (not ridiculous, just an always better option than two light or one light and one not light).
I also wouldn't be surprised if later down the road we didn't see something beef this up (akin to Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting from v3.5). Also, you can still use 2 one-handed weapons and just reflavor the off-hand as a die smaller because it's in your "off-hand" and you can't utilize the full potential of the weapon as if it was your dominant hand.
shame in a way cos how ever impractical this always looked awesome http://www.moviestillsdb.com/movies/conan-the-destroyer-i87078/d33187fe (http://www.moviestillsdb.com/movies/conan-the-destroyer-i87078/d33187fe)
Much as we may pester the elf. This does look awesome...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVwVNbORAv0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVwVNbORAv0)
Quote from: Omega;767015Much as we may pester the elf. This does look awesome...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVwVNbORAv0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVwVNbORAv0)
Heh, I remember that video. I thought it was extremely well done, except for Jarlaxle's hat. Wish someone made an actual cartoon with that.
I did not like Dragonborn myself but don't mind their inclusion. I do hope Tieflings will draw more from the 2e Planescape days rather than the 4e versions. I loved those random charts (http://www.ekkaia.org/rpg/dnd/ps/racial.html) from the Planewalker's Handbook (scroll down to Tiefling Options). Those really helped make every Tiefling character unique.
Quote from: Raven;767207...I loved those random charts (http://www.ekkaia.org/rpg/dnd/ps/racial.html) from the Planewalker's Handbook (scroll down to Tiefling Options). Those really helped make every Tiefling character unique.
I'm saving the
Tiefling Appearance and
Tiefling special side effects tables for future use. They're pretty cool.
Quote from: Raven;767207I did not like Dragonborn myself but don't mind their inclusion. I do hope Tieflings will draw more from the 2e Planescape days rather than the 4e versions. I loved those random charts (http://www.ekkaia.org/rpg/dnd/ps/racial.html) from the Planewalker's Handbook (scroll down to Tiefling Options). Those really helped make every Tiefling character unique.
The default is supposed to be 2e's version with 4e's as some kind of alternative probably a subrace would be my guess.
Since no one posted the actual race-list based on what's been culled from various places -
From ENWorld/Youtube interviews with Mearls, and Reddit.
Race/Class for PHB
Player Handbook - The Barbarian, Bard, Cleric, Druid, Fighter, Monk, Paladin, Ranger, Rogue, Sorcerer, Warlock, and Wizard classes, Each class has 3 subclasses except the cleric which has 7 the wizard which has 8 and the sorcerer which has 2. All the playtest races are the in the player's handbook except the kender and the warforged races, this includes Hill and Mountain Dwarves, High and Wood Elves, Lightfoot and Stout Halflings, Humans, Dragonborn, Drow, Forest and Rock Gnomes, Half Elves, Half Orcs, and Tieflings.
Dungeon Masters Guide: The Kender and Warforged races, Rules for more in depth combat, rules for henchmen and hirelings, an optional point based system for spellcasting
Makes sense given that since FR is the "default" world they can put Warforged and Kender in the DMG (maybe we'll get more?) - this way most of the major (i.e. popular) races in D&D across their properties are represented, with some obvious exclusions (Darksun is kinda too specific).
Quote from: One Horse Town;766689Not a fan of Dragon Born but easily remedied.
They were pretty much the
ONLY thing I liked about 4th edition D&D...the rest of it could be nuked from orbit. (
By a Dragonborn pilot... in a spacecraft ...a really cool spacecraft).
- Ed C.
I really hope they re-vamp the Dragonborn's Breath Weapon to actually be useful in later levels of the game. Topping out at 5d6 at 16th level was rather......*yawn*. I'd rather have it scale where every odd level or even every 3 levels after 1st (4th, 7th, 10th, 13th, 16th, 19th) it increases a d6.
As for Tielings, my understanding was that their flavor (pre-4E and 4E) will depend on sub-race. I'd also like to see the same thing with Aasimar / Deva as well.
Man, I skipped 4E completely, but the more I see of 5E the more I want into games other than AD&D and Pathfinder. I don't know much at all about Dragonborn, but I'm still pretty jazzed - even about the Tieflings.
Quote from: Raven;767207I did not like Dragonborn myself but don't mind their inclusion. I do hope Tieflings will draw more from the 2e Planescape days rather than the 4e versions. I loved those random charts (http://www.ekkaia.org/rpg/dnd/ps/racial.html) from the Planewalker's Handbook (scroll down to Tiefling Options). Those really helped make every Tiefling character unique.
I'm willing to put down significant stakes that, if Tieflings get subraces, 2e-style Tieflings and 4e-style ones will be first in line.
Quote from: tenbones;767242...
Dungeon Masters Guide: The Kender and Warforged races, Rules for more in depth combat, rules for henchmen and hirelings, an optional point based system for spellcasting[/I]
Makes sense given that since FR is the "default" world they can put Warforged and Kender in the DMG (maybe we'll get more?) - this way most of the major (i.e. popular) races in D&D across their properties are represented, with some obvious exclusions (Darksun is kinda too specific).
Great, now I may just have to buy the DMG.... for the Warforged, not the Kender. Like I noted upthread, love Warforged (though I'm mostly neutral about Eberron otherwise).
Quote from: Brander;767442Great, now I may just have to buy the DMG.... for the Warforged, not the Kender. Like I noted upthread, love Warforged (though I'm mostly neutral about Eberron otherwise).
It's a trap!!!
(Honestly if they go with 3e Kender it will be fine) I would never allow Warforged in my game or play in one that does. Understand that I don't like Eberron so yeah.
Long as the Dragonborn get their boobs back everything will be fine. :D
Quote from: Snowman0147;766700Same here I love the warforge.
It's as close as I can get to playing Bender in D&D. :D
JG
Quote from: Omega;767467Long as the Dragonborn get their boobs back everything will be fine. :D
+1 (I don't care about Dragonborn but the gnashing of teeth amuses me). Also since my Drow are FINALLY legal I guess reptiles with boobs are fine.:)
D&D. Some things I'll use, some I won't. They should've put Kender and Draconians, erm I mean Dragonborn in the same book....
Damn, nine races in the PH, two in the DMG? Not even counting subraces as different races?
That's quite a few.
Quote from: GnomeWorks;767588Damn, nine races in the PH, two in the DMG? Not even counting subraces as different races?
That's quite a few.
Probably more than two. I wouldn't be surprised if lots of race strongly associated with a particular setting other than Dragonborn and Tieflings are in the DMG. And also possibly monstrous races.
Quote from: Omega;767015Much as we may pester the elf. This does look awesome...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVwVNbORAv0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVwVNbORAv0)
Goddammit, you're getting me into a Realms mood. Check out Regis flipping off Entreri at 1:51
Quote from: Omega;767467Long as the Dragonborn get their boobs back everything will be fine. :D
As per female dwarves with or without beards, the gender identity and presentation of dragonborn PCs will be entirely down to the player in question, as it always should have been.
Quote from: Warthur;767612As per female dwarves with or without beards, the gender identity and presentation of dragonborn PCs will be entirely down to the player in question, as it always should have been.
Dragonborn with breasts isn't a gender issue, it's a biological one. They are warm-blooded and nurse their young, therefore they have mammary glands. Now size, shape, nipple rings, that's up to the player.
On the other hand, my Moon Elf dude should totally have a Marsupial Pouch. :rolleyes:
Quote from: LibraryLass;767590Probably more than two. I wouldn't be surprised if lots of race strongly associated with a particular setting other than Dragonborn and Tieflings are in the DMG. And also possibly monstrous races.
I remain hopeful that 5e will not put races in splatbooks.
11+races and subraces in the core books semes great to me.
Quote from: CRKrueger;767617Dragonborn with breasts isn't a gender issue, it's a biological one. They are warm-blooded and nurse their young, therefore they have mammary glands. Now size, shape, nipple rings, that's up to the player.
On the other hand, my Moon Elf dude should totally have a Marsupial Pouch. :rolleyes:
When cornered, my Gnome flares his Eye Spots.
If you're going to start a thread about races, at least be nice enought to list them. I have no idea what the full list looks like.
Quote from: danbuter;767662If you're going to start a thread about races, at least be nice enought to list them. I have no idea what the full list looks like.
I didn't realize that people couldn't see the screen shot unless they had an account at EN world, so on the second page I posted this:
Quote from: Sacrosanct;766713OH, I didn't know that. Well then:
All the basic ones: human, elf, dwarf, halfling, gnome, half elf, half orc
also: dragonborn, tielfling,
Quote from: Sacrosanct;767663I didn't realize that people couldn't see the screen shot unless they had an account at EN world, so on the second page I posted this:
They consider what's in BASIC as common and what's in the PHB beyond the that as uncommon with whatever is in the DMG as rare.
Quote from: CRKrueger;767617Dragonborn with breasts isn't a gender issue, it's a biological one. They are warm-blooded and nurse their young, therefore they have mammary glands. Now size, shape, nipple rings, that's up to the player.
...
The glands could be largely subdermal and young dragonborn lap the excretions rather than suck. I recall at least a couple species have more or less milk spots like that instead of more traditional equipment. Not that it's a big deal to me either way, just adding to the ideas.
Quote from: Bill;767657I remain hopeful that 5e will not put races in splatbooks.
11+races and subraces in the core books semes great to me.
Personally, I prefer them to keep adding races forever. I don't see the reason people want less races, more races means more options when putting together a setting.
Which is what it should be, when you are setting up your setting, decide which races exist in yours and ban the rest. If you don't want more than the ones in the PHB, good for you, you don't have to use any more. But to actively wish for no more to exist just seems... pointless? Like their existence doesn't harm you in any way, but maybe some other race may be more useful for my game than one of the core races.
Tiefling preview is up, although I'd like to see some mechanical stuff along with the flavor text
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsR9qm9CcAA9_Ex.jpg)
This may give a larger pic...http://i.imgur.com/nkugHwd.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/nkugHwd.jpg) looks like they went with the 4e version as the baseline.
I hope the Thri-kreen are available in the DMG or MM. I love adding a sci-fi / clashing worlds bent to games so non-Tolkien options are always welcome.
Quote from: ForthrightRay;767759I hope the Thri-kreen are available in the DMG or MM. I love adding a sci-fi / clashing worlds bent to games so non-Tolkien options are always welcome.
Was going to say the same. More buggums is good.
Quote from: Marleycat;767737This may give a larger pic...http://i.imgur.com/nkugHwd.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/nkugHwd.jpg) looks like they went with the 4e version as the baseline.
Now if only they had one eye and one horn... :(
Quote from: Emperor Norton;767728Personally, I prefer them to keep adding races forever. I don't see the reason people want less races, more races means more options when putting together a setting.
Which is what it should be, when you are setting up your setting, decide which races exist in yours and ban the rest. If you don't want more than the ones in the PHB, good for you, you don't have to use any more. But to actively wish for no more to exist just seems... pointless? Like their existence doesn't harm you in any way, but maybe some other race may be more useful for my game than one of the core races.
Who said I did not want more races to exist?
I was commenting that the initial selection seems good.
I don't like having to buy a new book for races.
What I really want is a huge selection in the core books, and any additional races to be free.
It's easy enough to create or customize races, but I would prefer them to be in the core books.
Ah! page 2. With the info I'm really curious to see
Item of note: Hellish Rebuke is not in the basic set, so I assume it's in the PHB.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Qf5bUXkiGaQ/U8BSUO_w5zI/AAAAAAAABuQ/QWTn1wGp3MU/w665-h879-no/PH+Preview+Tiefling+2.jpg)
Tieflings get Thaumaturgy cantrip, that's all Opa's going to play. :D
Quote from: BarefootGaijin;767586D&D. Some things I'll use, some I won't. They should've put Kender and Draconians, erm I mean Dragonborn in the same book....
The Monster Manual?
Quote from: Emperor Norton;767728Personally, I prefer them to keep adding races forever. I don't see the reason people want less races, more races means more options when putting together a setting.
I suppose these people feel that new races suck design time away from "useful stuff", or that their players will force them to use these races if they are included in prominent rulebooks.
I am sympathetic to the idea that subtraction can be as important as addition when designing a D&D setting. The racial kitchen sink is one of the few things that really bugs me about Eberron.
You know what I don't like about Tielflings? The name 'Tieflings'. They sound like teenaged thieves, or a gang of prank-playing Halflings. There's nothing at all resonant of devils or infernal heritage in the word. It's like calling a playable half-troll race 'Kikidoos'.
Quote from: ForthrightRay;767759I hope the Thri-kreen are available in the DMG or MM. I love adding a sci-fi / clashing worlds bent to games so non-Tolkien options are always welcome.
If you like that kinda stuff -
you should check out the new Talislanta: Savage Lands box-set currently in the works when it comes out. You can also pick up Talislanta's previous editions for FReeeeeeeEE on the Talislanta website.
That said - I'm banking on Thri-Kreen being available when they do the inevitable Darksun re-do.
Quote from: thedungeondelver;767865The Monster Manual?
Kender are in the DMG. Man, Tieflings are going to make awesome bards, sorcerers, warlocks.
@Sacrosanct, Hellish Rebuke is a 4e Infernal Warlock thing.
Quote from: Marleycat;767891Kender are in the DMG. Man, Tieflings are going to make awesome bards, sorcerers, warlocks.
@Sacrosanct, Hellish Rebuke is a 4e Infernal Warlock thing.
IIRC it did fire damage to a target, and then did it again if that target attacked you.
I didn't have any interest in 5E over much, but since Basic is free decided to take a look. The races look really good, Dwarves especially. Bit of a shame Warforged are not in the PH, but understandable since they are very Eberron specific.
As far as Dragonborn and Teiflings, if someone wanted a half dragon or demon, I would point them to these and tell me what their characters looked like.
It looks like this is an edition I might actually get my group into.
JG
Quote from: Haffrung;767883You know what I don't like about Tielflings? The name 'Tieflings'. They sound like teenaged thieves, or a gang of prank-playing Halflings. There's nothing at all resonant of devils or infernal heritage in the word. It's like calling a playable half-troll race 'Kikidoos'.
When I first read the name Tiefling I thought theyd be some sort of piranha people...
The name is originally Planescape slang. Teufel is devil in German, so probably Teufelling which was bastardized to Tiefling in Planescape cant.
"Lame-ass hipster wannabe Cambions" was too long I guess.
The thing I don't like about them is standardization, they should have randomly determined special traits.
The Thaumaturgy thing? Seriously? Sounds almost like WotC is trolling their own game. Tieflings are so cool wherever they go they get a slowmo entrance with a John Woo cloak wind. Next up, Transforming Warforged.
Quote from: CRKrueger;768097The name is originally Planescape slang. Teufel is devil in German, so probably Teufelling which was bastardized to Tiefling in Planescape cant.
"Lame-ass hipster wannabe Cambions" was too long I guess.
The thing I don't like about them is standardization, they should have randomly determined special traits.
The Thaumaturgy thing? Seriously? Sounds almost like WotC is trolling their own game. Tieflings are so cool wherever they go they get a slowmo entrance with a John Woo cloak wind. Next up, Transforming Warforged.
Considering 4e/5e tieflings are assumed to be descended from pacts/intermarriage with devils, who are rigidly lawful, it sort of makes sense that they would tend to be standardized. Random traits seem more appropriate for the inherently chaotic demon-descended types.
The devils don't really look much like each other. If Tieflings were Lawfully inspired genetically, then they'd have looks according more to types of devils involved so you could spot the Type in the woodpile.
There's no real defined thought behind it, just something cool to tickle one's special snowflakes, which is fine I guess, but mind-numbingly banal.
Quote from: CRKrueger;768097The name is originally Planescape slang. Teufel is devil in German, so probably Teufelling which was bastardized to Tiefling in Planescape cant.
"Lame-ass hipster wannabe Cambions" was too long I guess.
The thing I don't like about them is standardization, they should have randomly determined special traits.
The Thaumaturgy thing? Seriously? Sounds almost like WotC is trolling their own game. Tieflings are so cool wherever they go they get a slowmo entrance with a John Woo cloak wind. Next up, Transforming Warforged.
Well considering that at one point they were effectively no longer the offspring of demons but instead just angsty cursed people or descended from some pairing so long ago its irrelevant...
Look at the permutations Dragonborn have gone through, including a name change.
As for Warforged...
They will be renamed Warformers: Golems in Disguise.
Quote from: CRKrueger;768132The devils don't really look much like each other. If Tieflings were Lawfully inspired genetically, then they'd have looks according more to types of devils involved so you could spot the Type in the woodpile.
There's no real defined thought behind it, just something cool to tickle one's special snowflakes, which is fine I guess, but mind-numbingly banal.
Hamatulas, Osyluths, Lemures, and Gelugons don't, I guess, but the rest, including most of the archdevils, tend to follow a general template. As do the succubi, who in 4e at least were switched over to being devils.
Quote from: LibraryLass;768143the succubi, who in 4e at least were switched over to being devils.
Christ, how fucking pathetic. Poor Orcus.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_iBDQOXCHTEU/S8OtjCcSlaI/AAAAAAAAAns/8iaoNMAJHUQ/s1600/orcus+ladies+man.JPG)
Quote from: CRKrueger;768146Christ, how fucking pathetic. Poor Orcus.
I dunno, I think it makes sense. Devils tend to be portrayed as tempters, whereas demons tend to be destroyers. Succubi stand apart as the one kind of demon that normally operates as a tempter.
I think one of the ideas they were tossing around during 5e's development was that Succubi might become a neutral evil force that could be found in the company of both. I hope that's what they ended up going with, I like it a lot.
Quote from: CRKrueger;768146Christ, how fucking pathetic. Poor Orcus.
*snip image*
The most offensive thing about that illio is that Orcus has the biggest tits of the group
Quote from: CRKrueger;768097The name is originally Planescape slang. Teufel is devil in German, so probably Teufelling which was bastardized to Tiefling in Planescape cant.
It's simpler than that. "Tief" is German for "deep" (it's from the same root as Teufel).
Tiefling = "Deepling"
Quote from: Sacrosanct;768173The most offensive thing about that illio is that Orcus has the biggest tits of the group
He really let himself go.
jg
Quote from: CRKrueger;768146Christ, how fucking pathetic. Poor Orcus.
Where is that illustration from?
Were Incubi ever included in DnD? I dont't think that they're in 3e or 4e.
Quote from: Necrozius;768227Were Incubi ever included in DnD? I dont't think that they're in 3e or 4e.
That would have implied the existence of female players and then by inferrence the subversion of their rights and this leads to rape culture and that flows into mother may I and then Orcus cries because they stole his bitches and things deteriorate from there...
It isnt pretty.
So no incubus.
Quote from: Necrozius;768227Were Incubi ever included in DnD? I dont't think that they're in 3e or 4e.
There's incubi in 4e (Check the Demonomicon), and (IIRC) there was at least one previous take on them. Also Succubi have been able to assume male form at least since 3e.
Quote from: LibraryLass;768125Considering 4e/5e tieflings are assumed to be descended from pacts/intermarriage with devils, who are rigidly lawful, it sort of makes sense that they would tend to be standardized. Random traits seem more appropriate for the inherently chaotic demon-descended types.
I would be more than satisfied if they went with this. It would work perfectly with the subrace option you mentioned earlier.
Quote from: CRKrueger;768146Christ, how fucking pathetic. Poor Orcus.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_iBDQOXCHTEU/S8OtjCcSlaI/AAAAAAAAAns/8iaoNMAJHUQ/s1600/orcus+ladies+man.JPG)
Man I love these old school b&w penciled and/or inked pieces. I like a pretty wide range of fantasy art but I have a soft spot for this sort of medieval demonic/satanic imagery that you don't see much of these days. Is that weird? It sounds weird.
Maybe I should stfu.
Quote from: Raven;768287I would be more than satisfied if they went with this. It would work perfectly with the subrace option you mentioned earlier.
Man I love these old school b&w penciled and/or inked pieces. I like a pretty wide range of fantasy art but I have a soft spot for this sort of medieval demonic/satanic imagery that you don't see much of these days. Is that weird? It sounds weird. Maybe I should stfu.
You aren't alone on both your preferences.
Quote from: Haffrung;768221Where is that illustration from?
Dragon #13, the demon generation rules, reprinted in Best of Dragon...One I want to say.
Quote from: Necrozius;768227Were Incubi ever included in DnD? I dont't think that they're in 3e or 4e.
An incubus NPC--the Gentleman Caller--was a recurring background character in Ravenloft for the latter part of the line's run. He never appeared on stage where the PCs could encounter him (at least, in the published product), but he set a lot of things in motion.