So bounded accuracy is supposed to keep powers and such viable over larger level ranges. A gang of low level enemies are still dangerous at high levels.
How tolerant is 5e for groups where party members are very different levels?
Quote from: Will;774567So bounded accuracy is supposed to keep powers and such viable over larger level ranges. A gang of low level enemies are still dangerous at high levels.
How tolerant is 5e for groups where party members are very different levels?
I ran a six session D&D Next game where characters ranged over about 5 levels in difference, just from some characters dying off and their players having to start again with 1st level characters. (I accelerated character progression quite a bit so we could get a feel for different levels.) The interaction between levels worked well, and provided no significant disadvantage to the lower level characters.
What creates more of a gap, however, was rolling methods. Some players brought their own already made characters, an a 1st level character who rolled 4d6 take away the lowest has a *drastic* advantage over the normal 3d6 I have my players roll. That difference in characters of the same level was more pronounced than a 5 level gap.
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Yeah, I think I'm going to be using the standard array (15,14,13,12,10,8), with a few "freebie points" (most likely 3) that can be added directly to the array (i.e. raise the 15 to an 18, or change the array to 16,14,14,13,10,8, etc).
Otherwise I foresee "How many 18's did you roll?!?" in my future... :p
Yeah that "I rolled this dude up at home last night" spiel doesn't work for me. I insist on verifying chargen rolls personally.
As for 5e, the choice between array (or point buy) and 4d6 drop lowest seems fair. I like that rolling is a gamble vs the good but not great set that array will get you.
Quote from: Raven;774650Yeah that "I rolled this dude up at home last night" spiel doesn't work for me. I insist on verifying chargen rolls personally.
As for 5e, the choice between array (or point buy) and 4d6 drop lowest seems fair. I like that rolling is a gamble vs the good but not great set that array will get you.
I love it because it invalidates heavy charopping. Even I roll even with standard array mostly and sometimes way better. At least enough to feel confident enough to take the gamble.
Quote from: Novastar;774582Yeah, I think I'm going to be using the standard array (15,14,13,12,10,8), with a few "freebie points" (most likely 3) that can be added directly to the array (i.e. raise the 15 to an 18, or change the array to 16,14,14,13,10,8, etc).
Otherwise I foresee "How many 18's did you roll?!?" in my future... :p
Watch out for humans then, that +1 across the board with any adds to the standard array is a total game changer. It's a charop dream just so you know.
Quote from: Marleycat;774658Watch out for humans then, that +1 across the board with any adds to the standard array is a total game changer. It's a charop dream just so you know.
I'm much more likely to go the alternate route (with Feats and such), once the PHB comes out.
Quote from: Novastar;774664I'm much more likely to go the alternate route (with Feats and such), once the PHB comes out.
I assume everyone gets the 3 floating points? Are there stacking limits?
Quote from: Marleycat;774669I assume everyone gets the 3 floating points? Are there stacking limits?
Not really.
It allows for one real killer stat out the starting gate, or (more commonly) points to raise that 8 to a 10 or 11. I've found most of my players will use the points to reduce a negative Stat modifier, than raise one to an 18.
Quote from: Novastar;774674Not really.
It allows for one real killer stat out the starting gate, or (more commonly) points to raise that 8 to a 10 or 11. I've found most of my players will use the points to reduce a negative Stat modifier, than raise one to an 18.
Your lucky because I would do a High Elf STR 8 DEX 16 CON 14 INT 18 WIS 10 CHA 12...and run a multiclassed Abjurer/Eldritch Knight. Or a Drow Valor Bard or Paladin switching INT for CHA. Or a Half Elf to really mess you up.:)
You really shouldn't give the floating points the array is there to make choosing a feat an actual decision over straight stat bumps. Even with that multiclass (6/14) she gets 6 chances for a feat/stat bump which means she maxes Dex/Int and gets 3 feats.
Mix that Bard with a Abjurer or Enchanter it may get stupid because of the full spell slots and the Bard's ability to know any spell in the game as a Bard spell and throw 7th level spells with that split...(14th level allows full Bladesinger action for a Valor Bard. I would characterize an EK more like a Spellsword).
Luckily 5e seems to taking a cue from Pathfinder and making staying single classed the better choice in a strict sense.
Most of my experience is from Star Wars d20, not 3.x (and only a smattering of PF). And compared to the original 18,18,18,10,10,10 array from SW d20 OCR...
And heck, it isn't like one Ray of Enfeeblement wouldn't mess your character up. :p
Quote from: Novastar;774896Most of my experience is from Star Wars d20, not 3.x (and only a smattering of PF). And compared to the original 18,18,18,10,10,10 array from SW d20 OCR...
And heck, it isn't like one Ray of Enfeeblement wouldn't mess your character up. :p
Hehe.:)
That array looks horribly unbalanced to me I hope that there was a chance to do ability swaps in some fashion?