Quote from: Brad;1111206What if I say I don't want to have gay characters in modules I run at all because I'd rather not inject real-world issues into my fantasy campaign? Does that mean I'm a terrible person?

  According to the New Order, yes, because you're discriminating by not likewise excluding straight characters, and thus denying the premise that all forms of consensual (and preferably sterile) sex are morally equal and must be treated and represented equally by any social order that is not to be condemned as irredeemably corrupt and worthy of destruction.

Quote from: Brad;1111206What if I say I don't want to have gay characters in modules I run at all because I'd rather not inject real-world issues into my fantasy campaign? Does that mean I'm a terrible person?

I think it's safe to say that you were already a terrible person.  Correlation doesn't mean causation.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1111219I think it's safe to say that you were already a terrible person.  Correlation doesn't mean causation.

How many Asian Gnomes are in your game? Stand and be counted for the Yellow Devil Purity Test!

As an example of this very phenomenon we're discussing here...

https://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/article236518313.ece

Are we to then say 25 of 26 black focus-group members are homophobes by Intersectional Woke Standards?

If Yes Then that would imply the Intersectional Oppression Stack that implies all these groups are allies and have the same values and interests outside of their hobby of pretending to be oppressed isn't accurate.

... so therefore homophobe?

OR...

Maybe they just don't give a shit about other groups special interests?

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1111219I think it's safe to say that you were already a terrible person.  Correlation doesn't mean causation.

This is like a bipolar ex-girlfriend calling me abusive. Just gotta laugh.

Quote from: Brad;1111206What if I say I don't want to have gay characters in modules I run at all because I'd rather not inject real-world issues into my fantasy campaign? Does that mean I'm a terrible person?

>Insert long-winded pseudo-intellectual SJW rant about how "erasure" is destroying minorities and you are a homophobic Nazi here.<

Face it, unless all you do is virtue signal, you are one of the Bad Guys.

Quote from: jeff37923;1111238>Insert long-winded pseudo-intellectual SJW rant about how "erasure" is destroying minorities and you are a homophobic Nazi here.<

Face it, unless all you do is virtue signal, you are one of the Bad Guys.

I wonder if Socrates was ever called a Nazi bigot when he asked questions...

Quote from: Brad;1111244I wonder if Socrates was ever called a Nazi bigot when he asked questions...

Definitely! Well, the contemporary equivalent. Mark Zuckerberg's SJW-Classicist sister wrote an article explaining how Socrates was a Shitlord oppressing people with his words-as-violence. The people who killed him were the Real Victims.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/whats-wrong-with-online-debate-me-culture/2019/08/29/c0ec8aa2-c9ca-11e9-8067-196d9f17af68_story.html

Quote from: S'mon;1111249Definitely! Well, the contemporary equivalent. Mark Zuckerberg's SJW-Classicist sister wrote an article explaining how Socrates was a Shitlord oppressing people with his words-as-violence. The people who killed him were the Real Victims.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/whats-wrong-with-online-debate-me-culture/2019/08/29/c0ec8aa2-c9ca-11e9-8067-196d9f17af68_story.html

That actually made my eye twitch. Wow.

Quote from: tenbones;1111220How many Asian Gnomes are in your game? Stand and be counted for the Yellow Devil Purity Test!

As an example of this very phenomenon we're discussing here...

https://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/article236518313.ece

Are we to then say 25 of 26 black focus-group members are homophobes by Intersectional Woke Standards?

If Yes Then that would imply the Intersectional Oppression Stack that implies all these groups are allies and have the same values and interests outside of their hobby of pretending to be oppressed isn't accurate.

... so therefore homophobe?

OR...

Maybe they just don't give a shit about other groups special interests?

I would be more than happy to include cannibalistic Asian gnomes in my next game just for you, tenbones. I'll even make one an asexual cross-dressing half-Native chieftain of a band of famous Tibetan orc showgirls! *counts fingers* Damn, the queue gets longer all the time...

Quote from: S'mon;1111249[article]

"After all, a debate isn't a conversation -- an exercise in which people generously try to understand each other's point of view. A real conversation doesn't have a "winner." Debates are about scoring points and subjugating your opponent. Which means that, no matter what their opponents say, debaters have every reason to spin a confrontation as a victory. If I got angry or flustered in a debate, then I would lose by virtue of being emotional and irrational. If I used jokes or sarcasm, I'd lose by virtue of seeming unserious and smug. If I did take the debate seriously and even briefly entertained the points made by my opponent, I would seem conciliatory and weak. And no matter what, my opponent will have gotten my attention and sucked up my time. The only winning move is not to play."

Holy fucking shit.

Quote from: jhkimIt shouldn't be that gay characters should never appear in modules or can't be the villain/opponent. Would you agree?

Quote from: Brad;1111206What if I say I don't want to have gay characters in modules I run at all because I'd rather not inject real-world issues into my fantasy campaign? Does that mean I'm a terrible person?

Your personal taste is your personal taste. I'm not going to judge you on what games you like to play -- though it's likely that we disagree on real-world issues as well. Conversely, though, do you have any issues with me because I do have gay characters in the games I play and the modules I buy and run?

In general, I'm fine with there being some modules with gay characters and some without, which is how things are. It's not like all modules have to be one way or the other -- there can be different modules to different tastes.

Quote from: jhkim;1111258Conversely, though, do you have any issues with me because I do have gay characters in the games I play and the modules I buy and run?

Why would that matter to me whatsoever? The issue here is that some people said they aren't interested in modules that contain these sorts of topics (especially when poorly done) and are then called terrible, bigoted homophobes or whatever. To go even further, the writers are terrible, bigoted homophobes if they don't have gay characters in their modules. The whole thing is fucking ludicrous.

Quote from: Antiquation!;1111257Holy fucking shit.

I think it's worth understanding that people like the untalented Donna Zuckerberg (not actually Mark Zuckerberg himself, for all his faults) are like the aliens from Independence Day. The answer to "What do they want?" is "They want you to die." Her siding with the killers of Socrates, the greatest philosopher in world history, makes that abundantly clear.

Quote from: Brad;1111244I wonder if Socrates was ever called a Nazi bigot when he asked questions...

Since Socrates was tried, found guilty and sentenced to death for being a Nazi bigot, then yes.  Yes he was.

Quote from: S'mon;1111249Definitely! Well, the contemporary equivalent. Mark Zuckerberg's SJW-Classicist sister wrote an article explaining how Socrates was a Shitlord oppressing people with his words-as-violence. The people who killed him were the Real Victims.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/whats-wrong-with-online-debate-me-culture/2019/08/29/c0ec8aa2-c9ca-11e9-8067-196d9f17af68_story.html

Now THAT'S comedy! Thank you for linking that!

Quote from: jhkim;1111258Conversely, though, do you have any issues with me because I do have gay characters in the games I play and the modules I buy and run?

If they are there as tokens or parody stereotypes, then yes.