Quote from: tenbones;1108365Are there any modern examples of Trans NPC's from WotC or Paizo?

I used to have a bunch of NPC's in my Spelljammer game that were from that race the Reigar - and they're all Trans.

One of the books, think Mordenkainin's Guide, added Correlon's Blessing which allows elves with the blessing to flip gender if they want each morning. This was also inserted into the new Adventurers League rules update.

Quote from: Omega;1108368One of the books, think Mordenkainin's Guide, added Correlon's Blessing which allows elves with the blessing to flip gender if they want each morning. This was also inserted into the new Adventurers League rules update.

Wait, I'm confused. Why is the ability a Corellon-related thing?

Quote from: Antiquation!;1108369Wait, I'm confused. Why is the ability a Corellon-related thing?

That diety had long been described as fluid or androgynous.

Quote from: jhkimSo, if you're not saying never do it -- then can you give some examples of how you would prefer it to be done? What are good examples of LGBT characters in RPG modules, and how do they differ from what's in the Essential Kit?

Quote from: tenbones;1108358And I quote...

QuoteI'm certainly not saying Never do it. I'm saying - it's not being done in service to the product. It's being done precisely for ulterior motives that frankly are people projecting their issues.

Care to take a do-over?

I think you've misread me there, tenbones. I specifically acknowledged your claim, and asking for more detail. I'm not sure how else you're reading that.

Quote from: tenbones;1108365Are there any modern examples of Trans NPC's from WotC or Paizo?

I used to have a bunch of NPC's in my Spelljammer game that were from that race the Reigar - and they're all Trans.

From what I understand, the Reigar aren't trans. They have two sexes and no mentioned difference in sexuality. They just have similar appearances of males and females, like lizardmen or many other alien/monster races.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1108371That diety had long been described as fluid or androgynous.

Huh. Admittedly I haven't played D&D seriously or paid attention to its lore since the 3e days, but I don't remember that at all.:confused: Here's to getting older I guess!

Well, that derailed quickly.......

Quote from: jhkim;1108374-- then can you give some examples of how you would prefer it to be done? What are good examples of LGBT characters in RPG modules, and how do they differ from what's in the Essential Kit?

I would prefer it - as I've stated- only if it contextually matters. I can't think off hand where it matters so much it *needs* to be done at all. But the rulers of Elversult in the Realms were long-established as lesbians. But it contextually didn't matter much. Which only supports my point. What you do at your table is fine. I don't know where the line is except that the selectiveness of the Woke Oppression Stack seems to be curiously one-sided in the modern era.

Conversely - I've asked you: what is the benefit and how is it measured for including it? How does it serve the fiction?

Quote from: jhkim;1108374From what I understand, the Reigar aren't trans. They have two sexes and no mentioned difference in sexuality. They just have similar appearances of males and females, like lizardmen or many other alien/monster races.

Yeah they're "androgynous". But what that means in modern Intersectional parlance is beyond me... it might be an insult at this time - I don't profess to know.

Quote from: jeff37923;1108379Well, that derailed quickly.......

It's not hard when people are being disingenuous. /shrug.

The Redrum thing is still unanswered.

Quote from: Teodrik;1107919I almost caved and bought into 5e. The subject of this thread clearly shows that WotC are not worth throwing money at. Not even sure I want to buy the old TSR reprint stuff since money goes into the same pocket.

There isn't much of the wokeness on display in the 3 core books, Volo's and Xanathar's.  You can run 5E with that content alone, and never approach Paizo levels of wokeness; but post-core 5E is drifting in that direction.

Quote from: tenbones;1108382It's not hard when people are being disingenuous. /shrug.

The Redrum thing is still unanswered.

I gotta say, when you dubbed yourself a Survivor, I immediately heard Blue Oyster Cult's song "Sole Survivor" playing in my head.

Quote from: jeff37923;1108385I gotta say, when you dubbed yourself a Survivor, I immediately heard Blue Oyster Cult's song "Sole Survivor" playing in my head.

Damn... good call on that!!!!!!!

I've bought the 5E Essentials Kit and will read through it when I have time so that I can comment more on this hot button subject......

Quote from: Antiquation!;1108377Huh. Admittedly I haven't played D&D seriously or paid attention to its lore since the 3e days, but I don't remember that at all.:confused: Here's to getting older I guess!

This actually dates from 1E days. The earliest reference I have is in the 1982 issue of the Dragon, with Roger Moore's article on "The Elven Point of View".

QuoteElven males and females, though they are aware of their differences in physical strength, see each other as equals. Elven queens are as common as elven kings. Corellon Larethian is regarded by some elves as male, by some as female, by some as neither or both. Though female elves do not serve in the armies in any great number (except as unicorn cavalry riders) because of their lower strengths, other areas of elven life are about equally divided between male and female participants. Only actual combat occupations show a definite pro-male ratio, and even then the difference is not as extreme as in (for example) human or dwarven armies.

Source: https://annarchive.com/files/Drmg060.pdf  (page

Quote from: jeff37923;1108388I've bought the 5E Essentials Kit and will read through it when I have time so that I can comment more on this hot button subject......

It *really* isn't a "hot button" topic. People invested in 5e make it a hot-button topic because people like me say it's silly to have it in there and that it's there for pandering purposes only.

Quote from: Omega;1108368One of the books, think Mordenkainin's Guide, added Correlon's Blessing which allows elves with the blessing to flip gender if they want each morning. This was also inserted into the new Adventurers League rules update.

Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes.