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"Pulp can't be gritty/lethal"

Started by The Butcher, May 18, 2014, 04:30:30 PM

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Matt

#150
August 18, 2014, 01:31:18 PM
Quote from: Haffrung;780738I don't subscribe to the notions of 'pulp' put forward by the RPG hipster crowd. When I think of pulp, I think of Harold Lamb, Robert E. Howard, and Dashiel Hammet. Definitely gritty and lethal stuff. The RPG hipsters seem to draw their inspiration from comics.

I think they draw it from Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Sky Captain, and other latter-day "pulp-inspired" cinema and confuse it with actual pulps which it's doubtful they have ever read given their odd conclusions.

Will

#151
August 18, 2014, 01:46:40 PM
Lovecraft might not be quite pulp (I'm not sure), but many of folks inspired by him were.

Pulp is also intertwined with Sword and Sorcery as well as Noir. (Ie: I agree with Haffrung)

So. Goofs.
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Haffrung

#152
August 18, 2014, 01:48:22 PM
Quote from: Matt;780751I think they draw it from Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Sky Captain, and other latter-day "pulp-inspired" cinema and confuse it with actual pulps which it's doubtful they have ever read given their odd conclusions.

That makes sense. Pulp as "80s movies inspired by pulp by at least one remove" versus "lurid action stories read by truckers in the 30s."
 

Bren

#153
August 18, 2014, 02:05:11 PM
Quote from: Haffrung;780756..."lurid action stories read by truckers in the 30s."
And elevator operators. Back when that was an actual job because elevators didn't run themselves. Can't recall the specific stories, but a number of pulp tales had throw away asides of elevator operators or hotel night clerks reading various pulp magazines during their mostly dull shifts.
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Simlasa

#154
August 18, 2014, 03:09:33 PM
Quote from: Will;780755Lovecraft might not be quite pulp (I'm not sure), but many of folks inspired by him were.
He was published in the pulps so... he's was a pulp writer. That's my only real qualifier.

Will

#155
August 18, 2014, 03:37:58 PM
Quote from: Simlasa;780769He was published in the pulps so... he's was a pulp writer. That's my only real qualifier.

Works for me, but I'm not a literature ... talker... guy.

After several 'the label Science Fiction cannot be applied to anything before 1920' arguments, I qualify my statements about literature descriptors.
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#156
August 18, 2014, 06:19:20 PM
Quote from: Will;780776Works for me, but I'm not a literature ... talker... guy.

After several 'the label Science Fiction cannot be applied to anything before 1920' arguments, I qualify my statements about literature descriptors.

So Jules Verne and H.G. Wells are out. Who argued that?

Will

#157
August 18, 2014, 06:22:33 PM
Some literature wonks on TBP. I forget who.

It might be that it's just a few crazy folk who like to post on TBP, but it's the kind of nitpicking stupidity I've seen over and over from university echo chambers, so it wouldn't surprise me to find it's a Thing.

Edit: Ah, here's an article on the subject from Robert Silverberg, who is awesome:
http://www.asimovs.com/2014_07/ref.shtml
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Matt

#158
August 18, 2014, 06:25:13 PM
Quote from: Will;780810Some literature wonks on TBP. I forget who.

It might be that it's just a few crazy folk who like to post on TBP, but it's the kind of nitpicking stupidity I've seen over and over from university echo chambers, so it wouldn't surprise me to find it's a Thing.

Edit: Ah, here's an article on the subject from Robert Silverberg, who is awesome:
http://www.asimovs.com/2014_07/ref.shtml

What the heck is a TBP?

Will

#159
August 18, 2014, 06:27:31 PM
RPG.net. 'The Banning Place' is, I believe, the common term around here.


Admittedly, most of the commentary about Verne and scifi seem to be more about nitpicky genre arguments than periodicity, but this ( http://jv.gilead.org.il/evans/jv-rosny.html ) is more about Verne being the _start_ of SciFi, so nothing previous 'counts.'

Which I think is a load of crap.
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robiswrong

#160
August 18, 2014, 06:49:37 PM
Quote from: Will;780814RPG.net. 'The Banning Place' is, I believe, the common term around here.

"The Big Purple"

Haffrung

#161
August 18, 2014, 07:06:36 PM
Quote from: robiswrong;780817"The Big Purple"

"The Banning Place" works too.
 

3rik

#162
August 18, 2014, 07:46:30 PM
Nothing before Verne counting as scifi is utter bullshit.

Quote from: Haffrung;780821"The Banning Place" works too.
I like "The Banning Place". Though I haven't been banned. Yet.
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Simlasa

#163
August 19, 2014, 01:30:47 PM
Seeing as I took a literature class in college that included 'gaslight era' scifi I don't think it's an academic/literature standard either... just more geek wanking.
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