Quote from: Mistwell on May 20, 2021, 05:46:05 PM
Huh.

No response to "Only 13% of players are 40 years old or older" and "A majority of players are under 29 years old?"

No response to "Even though we don't have exact numbers from the TSR era, we can safely say D&D is more popular now than it has ever been in it's 47 year history?"

So what?

Check it out; 5e D&D is doing great!

In other news: Water is wet.

But, D&D is more popular than it has ever been!

Yeah. No shit.

But, but... Did you know that the largest playing demographic for 5e D&D during a big pop-culture upswing in popularity is college age young adults!

Quell surprise.


You really need a press release for all that?

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 20, 2021, 06:16:57 PM
That 'less than 1% is other/nonbinary' must be driving the SJWs insane every one of us that is on the right side of history to feel ashamed!

Thank you for pointing out this serious issue!

Clearly 5e D&D is doing a poor job of inclusion and representation to have the other/nonbinary demographic so underrepresented in the player base.

There is obviously too much white supremacy and toxic masculinity still in the game.

We need to Stop. Think. And Listen, to the other/nonbinary players of 5e about what we can do to make them feel more comfortable at the gaming table.

Time to brainstorm folks.

What steps can you take (Even if it means taking a step back.) to better empower the other/nonbinary players out there to join your game?

Discuss...

Quote from: Mistwell on May 20, 2021, 05:46:05 PM
Huh.

No response to "Only 13% of players are 40 years old or older" and "A majority of players are under 29 years old?"

No response to "Even though we don't have exact numbers from the TSR era, we can safely say D&D is more popular now than it has ever been in it's 47 year history?"

Luckily, you were able to respond to yourself. 

Quote from: Jaeger on May 20, 2021, 07:40:51 PM

Thank you for pointing out this serious issue!

Clearly 5e D&D is doing a poor job of inclusion and representation to have the other/nonbinary demographic so underrepresented in the player base.

There is obviously too much white supremacy and toxic masculinity still in the game.

We need to Stop. Think. And Listen, to the other/nonbinary players of 5e about what we can do to make them feel more comfortable at the gaming table.

Time to brainstorm folks.

What steps can you take (Even if it means taking a step back.) to better empower the other/nonbinary players out there to join your game?

Discuss...

Why would I ask some rando stranger to join my Friends and Family game?   Its just not going to happen

Quote from: Krugus on May 20, 2021, 08:25:46 PM

Quote from: Jaeger on May 20, 2021, 07:40:51 PM

Thank you for pointing out this serious issue!

Clearly 5e D&D is doing a poor job of inclusion and representation to have the other/nonbinary demographic so underrepresented in the player base.

There is obviously too much white supremacy and toxic masculinity still in the game.

We need to Stop. Think. And Listen, to the other/nonbinary players of 5e about what we can do to make them feel more comfortable at the gaming table.

Time to brainstorm folks.

What steps can you take (Even if it means taking a step back.) to better empower the other/nonbinary players out there to join your game?

Discuss...

Why would I ask some rando stranger to join my Friends and Family game?   Its just not going to happen

But, but, but... Bigotry!!!!!

.

Quote from: Krugus on May 20, 2021, 08:25:46 PM

Quote from: Jaeger on May 20, 2021, 07:40:51 PM

Thank you for pointing out this serious issue!

Clearly 5e D&D is doing a poor job of inclusion and representation to have the other/nonbinary demographic so underrepresented in the player base.

There is obviously too much white supremacy and toxic masculinity still in the game.

We need to Stop. Think. And Listen, to the other/nonbinary players of 5e about what we can do to make them feel more comfortable at the gaming table.

Time to brainstorm folks.

What steps can you take (Even if it means taking a step back.) to better empower the other/nonbinary players out there to join your game?

Discuss...

Why would I ask some rando stranger to join my Friends and Family game?   Its just not going to happen

But WOTC says we have to!!!  And Paizo does too!!!

Quote from: Jaeger on May 20, 2021, 09:34:33 PM

But, but, but... Bigotry!!!!!

.

They keep using that word.  I don't think it means what they think it means

Quote from: Jam The MF on May 20, 2021, 09:37:16 PM

But WOTC says we have to!!!  And Paizo does too!!!

Well I'm part of the old guard (will be 52 in July) I don't think they care what I do or think anymore since ESP since I'm a SWM!   Straight. White. Male.

Who is taking these surveys?  I have yet to take one and have bought a bunch of 5e stuff.  There could be millions of guys like me (40+) who play but never get to take the surveys.

Or they could just be making stuff up.  Filling in the blanks with what they think is right.

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on May 20, 2021, 10:00:27 PM
Who is taking these surveys?  I have yet to take one and have bought a bunch of 5e stuff.  There could be millions of guys like me (40+) who play but never get to take the surveys.

Or they could just be making stuff up.  Filling in the blanks with what they think is right.

Greetings!

Yeah, exactly! I don't have a lot of trust in much of anything that WOTC says or claims. Yes, my own "anecdotal" experience tells me that their *research* is full of shit. I'd say at least 25% of the current gamer population are 40 and over. There's a good number of millennials and younger adolescents and kids picking up gaming, for certain, but I wouldn't say the under 30 set are the majority at all. At least half of the people I see playing are over 30, and most of them are over 40, with many over 50. Probably a 3/3/4 of 10 division there.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I bet the people who buy 5 or more hardcover 5E books, are predominantly 40+ years old.

Those of us reporting "lots of gamers I know are like me" (older than WotC results) may have our own selection biases.

My 19-year-old son has been running or playing in three or four games per week through most of last year. Everyone involved has been under 25, except when he was a player in my campaign.

I'm 48, DMed or played less than one game per week over that time (among all the groups I've played with there have been no more than 40 sessions in the last 60 weeks), with participant average age closer to 40.

Quote from: Jam The MF on May 20, 2021, 11:57:40 PM
I bet the people who buy 5 or more 5E books, are predominantly 40+ years old.

Are you specifically referring to the hard copies of the books? If so, then I'm more inclined to agree with you.

I know several young people that have gotten into D&D 5E.  Every last one of them got into the game initially by playing in a game with someone older.  Of course that is not a representative sample.

I'll bet you that if you bothered to measure it, the "retention" period for sticking with the game is going to be stronger for the people that I know than it is for the population at large.  Maybe because the people with which they first got exposure to the game aren't freaking idiots.

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on May 21, 2021, 08:53:56 AM
I know several young people that have gotten into D&D 5E.  Every last one of them got into the game initially by playing in a game with someone older.  Of course that is not a representative sample.

I'll bet you that if you bothered to measure it, the "retention" period for sticking with the game is going to be stronger for the people that I know than it is for the population at large.  Maybe because the people with which they first got exposure to the game aren't freaking idiots.

Quoted for truth.

Back in the days of AD&D you had to be smart to learn the rules.  Just playing the game required a bit more mental effort than these new streamlined rules.

Quite good news that younger players are playing and good news that women players are much more common. I see tons of younger players where I live, including my two daughters that both play once a week or more and they have lots of friends that do.