Quote from: Marleycat;560834I just wonder what will happen when the shut the DDI off.

4vengers calling for a Wotc boycott.

On an unrelated note, is your avatar Jane March?

I don't consider 3e and 3.5 separate editions any more than I would 2e and Skills & Powers.  Or 4e and Essentials for that matter, and neither do most people.

Quote from: 1989;560831Nothing good can come of 4e.

Let it die the death.

Goddamn 4vengers slandering our games. Fuckers think their game is better than ours. Idiots.

Quote from: Wolf, Richard;560841I don't consider 3e and 3.5 separate editions any more than I would 2e and Skills & Powers.  Or 4e and Essentials for that matter, and neither do most people.

I would disagree.  3.0 and 3.5 don't seem to be very different with only a few minor changes, from what I've seen and read (I've read both PHBs and several source books from each).

But S&P was a huge leap from 2.0.  It is more like 3rd edition than 2nd edition in that it allowed class customization and tactical mini rules that 2e didn't have.  S&P brought in character points, spell points, and rules for flanking, movement, etc that you never saw in 2e.  It was like a whole new game, and a person in 2.5 could create a character miles more powerful than a stock character in 2e.

Quote from: Wolf, Richard;560841I don't consider 3e and 3.5 separate editions any more than I would 2e and Skills & Powers.  Or 4e and Essentials for that matter, and neither do most people.

3.5 is to 3rd edition like AD&D with Deities & Demigods, Unearthed Arcana, Oriental Adventures, Manual of the Planes, the Wilderness Survival Guide and the Dungeoneers' Survival Guide with the specialist clerics and encounters from the World of Greyhawk boxed set thrown in is to AD&D with just the Players Handbook, Dungeon Masters Guide and Monster Manual.  IOW, not a different game.  Just different options in the same game.

Quote from: Marleycat;560834I just wonder what will happen when the shut the DDI off.

This is the real issue. 4E is a game with so much shit in the pipeline an electronic CB is needed to properly build your magic deck. The books will remain perfectly functional after the plug is pulled but then everyone will have to dig through actual books, and Dragon pdfs to find all the stuff for their uber combos.

Oh and then there are those who were too cheap to actually buy the fucking books in the first place thinking they could suck on the WOTC electronic nipple forever. Maybe if they had bought more product for the game they loved so much it wouldn't have been shitcanned in the first place.

Remembering all the smug posts from the 4vengers bragging about how they only needed a DDI sub to play now that 4E has been scrapped fills the heart with the warmth of a thousand suns.

I approve this post.

100%

A min/maxer will absolutely find the game unplayable without the software. However, if one restricts the game to just a handful of books (like the initial three), 4e is actually very playable. Granted, you'll have problems once you hit the second odd prime level, and it doesn't really work into double digit levels, but there's still alot of play value to be had up to that point.

Quote from: jeff37923;560757Same reason as there are other clones - to allow you to publish new adventures for the game and keep it alive.

Did anyone publish adventures for the game when it was alive?

Quote from: Doom;560869A min/maxer will absolutely find the game unplayable without the software. However, if one restricts the game to just a handful of books (like the initial three), 4e is actually very playable. Granted, you'll have problems once you hit the second odd prime level, and it doesn't really work into double digit levels, but there's still alot of play value to be had up to that point.

Playable isn't the issue. Any edition of D&D is perfectly playable with just the core rules. 4E whiners aren't happy without constant current streaming support that provides new cards with which more impressive decks can be built.

Playable is meaningless to a rabid crowd who enjoys spending hours on the CB fapping over what their characters can do via mechanics in the game.

Quote from: Exploderwizard;560875Playable isn't the issue. Any edition of D&D is perfectly playable with just the core rules. 4E whiners aren't happy without constant current streaming support that provides new cards with which more impressive decks can be built.

Playable is meaningless to a rabid crowd who enjoys spending hours on the CB fapping over what their characters can do via mechanics in the game.

You're full of shit.

4E is a videogame.

3.x is the magic card edition.

Get your memes straight, dingleberry.

Quote from: Exploderwizard;560853Remembering all the smug posts from the 4vengers bragging about how they only needed a DDI sub to play now that 4E has been scrapped fills the heart with the warmth of a thousand suns.

Yeah, thank god we're above childish smug posts like that here, eh?

Quote from: Sacrosanct;560838On an unrelated note, is your avatar Jane March?

Lily Collins.

Quote from: Declan MacManus;560913You're full of shit.

4E is a videogame.

3.x is the magic card edition.

Get your memes straight, dingleberry.

You're both full of shit.

D&D 4E is an RPG.

You know, played on a tabletop, with dice, character sheets and all that.

Quote from: Xavier Onassiss;560932You're both full of shit.

D&D 4E is an RPG.

You know, played on a tabletop, with dice, character sheets and all that.

Impossible. The rules for starving to death in the wilderness are far too forgiving.