Quote from: Sacrosanct;560743I would say that's up to WoTC since they own the IP.  And while I don't see why they couldn't have a clone, I don't think they need one, seeing as how it's not like all their existing 4e books haven't gone up in flames, so all that material is still out there.

I mean, I don't need a clone to play AD&D, or B/X.  I just play them with the books I already have.

What you did there, I saw it.

Personally, I'm still miffed that we didn't get a 4e Tactics video game. The 3e ruleset was the wrong rules for the PSP game, which was also shit; it was too fiddly for an SRPG rule system (Especially on a handheld), while 4e was about perfect.

Quote from: Fifth Element;560758Presumably for the reason that OSRIC started in the first place: to allow people to publish stuff for the game under the auspices of the OGL, and as such remove fear of being sued by a big company. What are the chances of the 4E GSL sticking around after 4E is officially done from WotC's point of view?

So you're wrong about why they want it. Not that I don't appreciate your effort.

I've published 1e stuff since 2002, well before OSRIC and never under the OGL and didn't get sued...'course I gave it away for free, that may have helped a lot...

Quote from: Ladybird;560773What you did there, I saw it.
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Which was?  I think maybe you're reading a bit deeper than what my intent was.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;560775Which was?  I think maybe you're reading a bit deeper than what my intent was.

I read it as an inversion of the "stop bitching about our new 4e game, your 3.5 books aren't going to disappear" whining from 2008... and I thought it was hilarious.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;560774I've published 1e stuff since 2002, well before OSRIC and never under the OGL and didn't get sued...'course I gave it away for free, that may have helped a lot...

Sure, that's why I mentioned the safe harbour of the OGL. You can publish compatible stuff, but the company that owns the property has more lawyers than you, so it can be a concern. And I think that the recentness of 4E might be an important consideration as well.

Quote from: Ladybird;560778I read it as an inversion of the "stop bitching about our new 4e game, your 3.5 books aren't going to disappear" whining from 2008... and I thought it was hilarious.

Oh.  Well, not really where I was going.  shrug.

Quote from: Fifth Element;560780Sure, that's why I mentioned the safe harbour of the OGL. You can publish compatible stuff, but the company that owns the property has more lawyers than you, so it can be a concern. And I think that the recentness of 4E might be an important consideration as well.

Yeah; unfortunately the reality is if tomorrow I got a letter from WotC's legal department saying "Your stuff - it must go." I would ... well, I would remove it.  I'd have to.

Now...it's been ten years, but you never know.  I think in the overall I'm about as dangerous to their IP as someone selling Tijuana Bibles with Mickey, Minnie and Goofy is to Disney, and last time I checked Disney wasn't sending C&D letters to printers in lazy little seaside towns in the Baja, you dig.

The only thing I took away from that thread is the terrible moderation (which is heavily documented here, I know). I can't help but point out that one guy was banned from the thread and slapped around for saying 4E blows, basically, but another just a few posts later takes a handful of shots saying Paizo sucks ass, and nary a warning was given to him.

On topic: I don't see an immediate need for a retroclone for 4E. Any FLGS I go to has numerous supplements and expansions for 4E. There's a ton of shit available right now. There's no hole in the market. Now, maybe in a few years there might be a demand for more stuff and a retroclone might be viable then, but I don't honestly see there being a big enough market for a 4E retroclone even then.

Yes, rpg.net moderation is the worst.  That thread isn't the microcosm of how bad it is, there are some nearby however that come close.

I feel sad for 4e gamers because as everybody knows those game books quit working when a new edition is released.

On more serious note, the core rules of D&D 4th edition are fairly simplistic the complexity comes from the exception based power system.

It would be a ton of work but it seems to me that one could make a tactically detailed roleplaying game very similar to 4e without need to get close to their IP. The details will be different of course, a 4next warrior would have a different set of abilities than a D&D 4e fighter the same for a 4next mage vs a 4e mage.

Look at what happened in collectible card games to see what could be done. And unlike that hobby there is no patent on tapping a card to stand in the way of a 4next.

Quote from: estar;560824On more serious note, the core rules of D&D 4th edition are fairly simplistic the complexity comes from the exception based power system.

It would be a ton of work but it seems to me that one could make a tactically detailed roleplaying game very similar to 4e without need to get close to their IP. The details will be different of course, a 4next warrior would have a different set of abilities than a D&D 4e fighter the same for a 4next mage vs a 4e mage.

What would be really cool would be a True20-like hack of 4e, with a build-your-own Powers system. Hell, I might even play it.

@Butcher

Nothing good can come of 4e.

Let it die the death.

I just wonder what will happen when the shut the DDI off.

Quote from: 1989;560831@Butcher

Nothing good can come of 4e.

Let it die the death.

4e is a fine fantasy skirmish boardgamey thing actually. Just don't try and use it to run D&D, and it'll work fine.