Quote from: Marleycat;561372It let me read the linksie? I'm not signed up.

Go back to their main menu and try to read a different thread.
(I mean, it could just be something weird on my end, so I am curious now.)

Quote from: StormBringer;561373Go back to their main menu and try to read a different thread.

Douchebags like Fifth Element like to keep things private so they can show up on other forums to lecture people on their wicked, wicked ways. It's a bit like a priest preaching the flock about being faithful in marriage and then touching the altar boy once the office is over and everyone's left.

Quote from: Benoist;561377Douchebags like Fifth Element like to keep things private so they can show up on other forums to lecture people on their wicked, wicked ways. It's a bit like a priest preaching the flock about being faithful in marriage and then touching the altar boy once the office is over and everyone's left.

I appreciate theRPGSite more and more every day.

Quote from: Benoist;561377Douchebags like Fifth Element like to keep things private so they can show up on other forums to lecture people on their wicked, wicked ways. It's a bit like a priest preaching the flock about being faithful in marriage and then touching the altar boy once the office is over, everyone's left, and nobody's looking.

Well...to be fair priests aren't allowed to marry...so they don't really have anyone to be unfaithful TO.

I fail to see the hypocrisy.

Quote from: Declan MacManus;561380Well...to be fair priests aren't allowed to marry...so they don't really have anyone to be unfaithful TO.

I fail to see the hypocrisy.

Actually, some Catholics interpret priesthood as being like "being married" to the Church. From that POV, lecturing people about being faithful in marriage to then turn around and break your vows and sin against God is deeply hypocritical in nature.

QuoteCelibacy is represented in the Roman Catholic Church as having apostolic authority. Theologically, the Church desires to imitate the life of Jesus with regard to chastity and the sacrifice of married life for the "sake of the Kingdom" (Luke 18:28–30, Matthew 19:27–30; Mark 10:20–21), and to follow the example of Jesus Christ in being "married" to the Church, viewed by Catholicism and many Christian traditions as the "Bride of Christ". Also of importance are the teachings of St. Paul that chastity is the superior state of life, and his desire expressed in I Corinthians 7:7–8, "I would that all men were even as myself [celibate]—but every one has his proper gift from God; one after this manner, and another after that. But I say to the unmarried and the widows. It is good for them if they so continue, even as I."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerical_celibacy#Modern_Roman_Catholic_Church

Ha, your half right Stormie.  It lets you browse like 2 threads before locking you out.  Worse than SA that place.  But you can sign up for free, like I care enough for the effort, what fuckwads.

They have their own enworld.txt thread, and apparently Cirno is trying to get Ed Greenwood labeled as a sexual pervert?  Christ.  Vulmea you owe me a minute of my life back.

Quote from: CRKrueger;561404They have their own enworld.txt thread, and apparently Cirno is trying to get Ed Greenwood labeled as a sexual pervert?  Christ.  Vulmea you owe me a minute of my life back.

If I had it to give, I would.

But that which has been seen cannot be unseen, so all I can offer you is my condolences.

... And the previously vocal fiftelement goes strangely missing.

Quote from: CRKrueger;561404They have their own enworld.txt thread, and apparently Cirno is trying to get Ed Greenwood labeled as a sexual pervert?  Christ.  Vulmea you owe me a minute of my life back.

Well, Ed's not exactly helping it:

Quote from: Ed GreenWOODMy concept of Alustriel as de facto ruler of Silverymoon has always been glossed over by TSR (and now WotC) for Code of Ethics/Code of Conduct reasons, because I see her as the Realms equivalent of 'the Queen of Courtly Love,' presiding over a Court that amuses itself (along with delighting in wit, new songs, new inventions or clever craftsmanship, and fashions) with dalliances, courtship, and lovemaking. Er, lots of lovemaking. :}

In the same way that real-world kings in some places and times enjoyed droit de signeur [French for: "As the King, I have the right to sleep with anyone" :}], Alustriel takes many lovers for short periods of time, and is one of those rare kind, understanding, warm people who has the knack of staying close, affectionate friends with former lovers, even in the presence of other ex-flames. In fact, it's quite likely that any meeting of courtiers will contain a majority of folk who have visited the royal bed or baths at one time or another -- and most of them remain fiercely loyal to Alustriel and to her dream of Silverymoon. (In fact, some cynics, such as Torm of the Knights of Myth Drannor, believe she deliberately seduces political foes to transform them into personal friends.) The fact demonstrably remains that to attack Alustriel in Silverymoon will be to evoke immediate defense of her person by dozens of champions who will lay down their lives to protect hers, even knowing she's the "Anointed of the Goddess" and may not really need their protection.

For obvious moral reasons, published Realmslore glides over all this 'free love' stuff (gakk! orgies! Nonononono!) without saying much (though if you read the words of Silverymmon-related Realmslore I've written, nothing contradicts it). If you're portraying Alustriel correctly in play, she loves to laugh (except when to do so would be cruel to others), gives hugs, caresses, and kisses freely, has no personal dignity (nude? Me? Yes, so? Yes, I heard him comment on the shape and taste of my breasts -- that's why I was thanking him) but a LOT of personal grace and charm, and never forgets details about people (so if meeting a knight she bedded one night eight years ago, she'll recall the name of his ailing mother and her ailment, the name of his new bride, and any 'touchy triggers' any of them might have). Most folk who meet her can't remain jealous of her or angry at her for long.

The original Mystra seemed to encourage Alustriel to have children (why? Hoho! SO many mysteries, waved before you!), because she conceived every nine months and a day or two, giving Faerun a succession of healthy males in a series of easy births (and being little constricted or uncomfortable while pregnant, because rather than acquiring a ballooning belly, the High Lady always put on weight all over, and retained her poise, balance, and activities). Yes, she's given birth to females, and no, I'm not going to say ANYTHING more about that for future schemes reasons. :} The new Mystra may have other ideas, because (as far as Elminster knows -- and he doesn't hesitate to ask her, straight out) Alustriel isn't pregnant right now, and shows no signs of becoming so.

For details of her current consort, see the quartet of Realmslore columns appearing on the WotC website right now.

"Aerasume" is a surname, and all of the tall, strapping lads who bear it share the same father, who remains Alustriel's lover on nights when she needs comforting, but these days is often away from Silverymoon on explorative expeditions into the wilderlands. As I said: with very few exceptions, Alustriel remains on good terms with her former lovers, and manages somehow to keep them comfortable with each other (I guess it's like being members of a club one very much enjoys being part of). So they all get along well together. At long-ago GenCons I often ran Realms play sessions in which PCs were sent with an urgent message to Alustriel [a stranger to them by all but reputation] through a secret portal that admitted them to the Palace but removed all metal -- weapons and, er, BELT BUCKLES -- and all enchanted materials [items and garments vanished, spells operating on the bodies of the PCs just melted away] in doing so. Stumbling over their own falling clothing but under imperative, overriding orders to get to Alustriel right away (and bearing a pass that would let them do so), the racing PCs were directed to a certain chamber, and burst into it to discover that it was taken up by a vast, shallow bath filled with warm rosewater and naked people making love. SOMEwhere in all of that sliding flesh was Alustriel. Their mission: find her.

I loved watching players' faces, right at that moment.

Quote from: Someone ElseOnce upon a time, two young gamers named Liz and Gertie were exploring the magical kingdom of the D&D Experience just before the release of 4e. It was a fantastic land filled with exciting experiences and creepy men with unshaven necks and brilliant red sweatpants.When the sun reached its apex, a call went out to visitors of the land: The famous Ed Greenwood was to have an audience. All were invited to come speak with him and he would provide, free of charge, a copy of his newest book! Eager to talk with the mystical Mr. Greenwood, Liz and Gertie scampered to his court! As the two timid girls approached, Greenwood's beard glimmered under the fluorescent flights. His eyes twinkled under his bushy bangs."Hello, Ed!," exclaimed Gertie."It's nice to see you," Liz said.

"How are you ladies, today?" the wizard-esque man asked.

Shyly, each girl responded that they were quite well and appreciated the opportunity to meet him.

Gertie smiled and said, "Ed, there has been talk of turning your Forgotten Realms into a film! Tell me, sir, what character would you play?!"

Reaching up to toss his hair, Mr. Greenwood giggled, "All the pretty girls!!"

Flutters of awkward laughter erupted from the mouths of Liz and Gertie.

"... or, possibly, the fluffer!" Ed continued.

Tears of hilarity began to stream from Gertie eyes and ran down her face. Ed reached out towards Gertie, offering assistance. "Shall I lick the tears off of your cheeks!?"

Gertie and Liz turned bright shades of crimson and the next few moments of conversation flew by in a blur of confusion and moderately creeped-out-ed-ness.

Liz's mind spun, she could no longer comprehend the words that Gertie and Mr. Greenwood were speaking... and, when she came to her senses, somehow (really, I may never know how), Ed was speaking of his beard.

He tugged briskly on his silver strands. "My wife," he said, "uses this as a tool." Gripping his facial hair tightly, he pulled his head downward. "See. She'll pull my head down and say, 'While you're down there..."

Grinning suggestively Ed surveyed the girls. Before that moment they had nearly composed themselves, but the flood of laughter could no longer be controlled. Quickly, they asked the man to sign their books and scampered off into the crowd.

Gertie and Liz left the presence of Mr. Greenwood... changed forever.

And so on.

It's interesting how that kind of sexual expression can offend the kind of people who are blase about the usual Gorean fare of naked wench sacrifices, torture stakes, rape pits, etc. The one thing that James Raggi would never dare publish! (See also Elfquest).

Quote from: thedungeondelver;5607442e was created to defenestrate the non-PG, non-family-friendly elements (go read the TSR Standards & Practices document if you don't believe me) and stuff that Gary had written.

3e was created because TSR was dead as a company because of Dragon Dice and a lawsuit against...Gary Gygax, which they didn't win.  2e was 9 years old and moribund.

I guess since 3.5 came around so quickly and was then thrown out for 4, yeah, it was probably a failure.

But considering that the Players Handbook and Unearthed Arcana for 1e were still printed in to 2e's life (at least a year, possibly two), and that 1e's getting the reprints (as well as 3.5) I question the "1e was a failure".

No, 1e wasn't a failure, and 2e wasn't a fix to 1e.  It was legal maneuvering to purge Gary's influence, period.  3e was, in fact, at least pitched as the "return to the dungeon" with Greyhawk again as the default setting - the 3e DMG even featured the "Fire Opal" dungeon as it's play example, and Gary did (privately) consult on the design of the game.  

But don't think I don't appreciate your effort!

Before I get to reading the rest of the thread, I just need to support what you said. Even though 2e came out in 1989, 1e was still being published all the way into 1991. :jaw-dropping:

And you're right about the disgusting legal maneuvering to purge away Gary Gygax's influence. You're also right about the legal mess, and partially right about the Dragon Dice (although Dragon Dice was actually a success, at first). Then there's the fact that they got financially screwed in regards to their lines of novels (a shit-ton of fiction books were returned, unsold), and TSR actively lost money on their boxed sets, because the boxed sets were (at the time) way too expensive to produce, and they were underpricing them. And their attempt to dabble in the CCG market didn't fly so well either.

2e itself wasn't the problem. The problem was Williams's vile contempt for gamers, and the retarded business practices of TSR in the Williams era. :pundit:

Quote from: Marleycat;561322He missed my joke. Seriously, there is a site pretty sure the name is "purple dragon" is 2e heaven.

Personally I like it here better because I can tell Ben to fuck off and ask Drohem anything 2e on the same site.  That's what I call heaven.

This is the best general rpg site, pun intended, on the interweb. Hell, I can talk WW and Mage if I feel like it and people will talk serious.

It's called PurpleWorm: http://www.purpleworm.org/content/

Quote from: Endless Flight;561333Who is that dude pointing?

That is one scary scene in the movie 'Invasion of the body snatchers'

I think it is the moment in the movie where it becomes obvious that all hope is lost.

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb;561431It's called PurpleWorm: http://www.purpleworm.org/content/

Yeah it was mentioned up thread that I didn't quite get the name right but thanks for the linksie again.