QuoteSounds like HinterWelt had the uber-gamestore.

No, I have the uber-gamestore.

Sentry Box

With over 13,000 sq. ft. of display and gaming space, the Sentry Box is a Mecca for those interested in fantasy, science fiction, or military games, books and miniatures. The policy of the Sentry Box has always been "If it's in print, we'll try to stock it." With over 46,000 different items on the shelves, this shows that we mean what we say.

Quote from: KenHR;270944This is strictly anecdotal, but...

I was a supervisor at a Borders superstore during the time that 3e was shiny and new.  I was also personally responsible for maintaining and tracking sales in the games section of the bookstore.  Many, many young kids were getting into D&D at the time; I regularly fielded questions from confused parents, and many kids (ages 8-18, not to mention a large number of college kids) spent a considerable amount of time lounged on benches and couches in the store perusing the latest splats and sourcebooks.  We also had a lot of WW and GoO stuff, and that was snapped up along with D&D.

At least in my area, 3e did seem to pull in a lot of young blood.  While I didn't care for 3e, it did my heart good to see kids get genuinely excited over new RPG material.

3.5 didn't seem to have the same effect, however.

I heard similar anecdotes; a guy at work said his junior high aged kid was into D&D and it was a bit of a fad with kids that age again.  Would have been 2003 or so.  Clearly, it wasn't like it was in the early 80s, but it was a pale reflection of it, I think.

Quote from: Koltar;273012Maybe, just maybe the release of 4th edition of Dungeons & Dragons had the bad luck to be published right when the economy was starting to take its downturn.  The new version was released this past June, the economy and consumers started to get 'nervous' around late August or Early September. It could be its not the game itself  - but the economic environment that it was released into.


- Ed C.

It's certainly possible Christmas Koltar, I don't rule it out.

Quote from: Balbinus;273232It's certainly possible, Christmas Koltar, I don't rule it out.

Christmas Koltar "Caroling with Honor" playset just in time for the Holidays.

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Quote from: Haffrung;273207No, I have the uber-gamestore.

Sentry Box

With over 13,000 sq. ft. of display and gaming space, the Sentry Box is a Mecca for those interested in fantasy, science fiction, or military games, books and miniatures. The policy of the Sentry Box has always been "If it's in print, we'll try to stock it." With over 46,000 different items on the shelves, this shows that we mean what we say.

Sentry Box is formidable most definitely. I would add that there are many other game stores that would leave WarHorse Hobbies in the dust. I named a few in the other post but I would add Diversified Games in WA and Castle Perilous in Carbondale IL. I just want you guys not to get the wrong idea. I am proud of what I accomplished with WarHorse and it had a lot to do with talking to other retailers who functioned the same way.

That said, mostly I was trying to say that the model makes a big difference. So, I think Kogi was talking about a certain type of shop. They have been around since before RPGs and are still around. There are also a model of store run the way I describe.

Bill

Quote from: Koltar;273012Maybe, just maybe the release of 4th edition of Dungeons & Dragons had the bad luck to be published right when the economy was starting to take its downturn.  The new version was released this past June, the economy and consumers started to get 'nervous' around late August or Early September. It could be its not the game itself  - but the economic environment that it was released into.

Hmmm. Have any of the anti-4E crowd declared that 4E caused the economic crash yet?

Quote from: Warthur;273259Hmmm. Have any of the anti-4E crowd declared that 4E caused the economic crash yet?

There is no need to give 4E credit for something it didn't accomplish.

Isn't it bad enough that the game doesn't satisfy everyone or do you just hate 4E that much?

i dunno. 4e killed my entire family right in front of me. if it wasn't such a great game, i'd seriously consider not playing it anymore.

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Christmas Koltar "Caroling with Honor" playset just in time for the Holidays.

IF you want to see me as the Klingon Santa (a.k.a. Kris zantai-Kloz) look over on the SJG forums  - thats my current avatar look over there.


On the rpgsite forums - I'll always be using pics portraying the human side of me.


- Ed C.

And for that we are grateful.

Quote from: jeff37923;273262There is no need to give 4E credit for something it didn't accomplish.

Isn't it bad enough that the game doesn't satisfy everyone or do you just hate 4E that much?

I'm sorry, did I run over your dog one day? Or are you still upset by how I don't think Harlon Ellison is that great of an author?

Read my comment. What is there that would make you think that I, personally, am anti-4E, when I am MAKING A JOKE ABOUT THE EXCESSIVE HYPERBOLE OF THE ANTI-4E CROWD?

Seriously, Jeff, it's like you've got some sort of fucked up personal beef with me all of a sudden and you're looking for ways to be offended by my posts. Would you please just fucking chill, or at least tell me why you've decided that I am your personal nemesis all of a sudden?

Jeff appears to be ticked that you badmouthed Ellison, after he badmouthed Roddenberry by using the Harlan Ellison story.

Back on topic:

 The more I think about the 'underselling' referred to be the title of the thread realkly may be just a case of its release coinciding with an economy that was on the downturn.


Around six moiths to a year from now we should check how many game companies that make or sell RPG/miniatures products are still around. We've lost WizKids in the past few weeks. I expect both Steve Jackson Games and Wizards of the Coast to still be around in a year. SJG has a knack for surviving as a company, WotC  being a tad younger as a company and owned by Hasbro I think may also be around in a year's time.  Paizo and Mongoose I think are 50/50 ....with PAIZO having the better shot of weathering events.


- Ed C.

Quote from: Koltar;273378Jeff appears to be ticked that you badmouthed Ellison, after he badmouthed Roddenberry by using the Harlan Ellison story.
- Ed C.

Special Ed, is this another attempt by you to beg for attention?

Quote from: Warthur;273350I'm sorry, did I run over your dog one day? Or are you still upset by how I don't think Harlon Ellison is that great of an author?

Read my comment. What is there that would make you think that I, personally, am anti-4E, when I am MAKING A JOKE ABOUT THE EXCESSIVE HYPERBOLE OF THE ANTI-4E CROWD?

Seriously, Jeff, it's like you've got some sort of fucked up personal beef with me all of a sudden and you're looking for ways to be offended by my posts. Would you please just fucking chill, or at least tell me why you've decided that I am your personal nemesis all of a sudden?

I made a joke as well, obviously you take this as the beginning of a feud between us.