I've never claimed to be a towering pinnacle of maturity and intellectual prowess, so I apologize if my abuse of the liberal language policy on this forum has bothered anyone. I swear alot in real life conversation too, although I do a fairly good job of restraining myself when younger folks are about. Drove my ex-wife nuts... luckily my current girlfriend swears almost as much as I do. Out of respect for ya'all I will endeavor to restrain myself somewhat in the future, and Seanchai, if my obscenities truly bothered you I apologize for that as well. I am capable of making a point without going all Richard Pryor, it just comes out when I get my dander up.

Quote from: two_fishes;361823I understand what you're saying but I would feel a little constrained playing that way. It's almost like I have to come to table knowing everything there is to know about my PC and must play him within that knowledge. On the other hand, if I have a flash of inspiration about my character during play, and I'm able to bring that into the fiction, it's like I've just discovered something new and interesting about that character. I really enjoy bringing a PC to the table with just scraps on information about who he is and where he's from, and a lot of unanswered questions to be filled in later.

Well, a lot of that "filling in" I was talking about has to do with finding aspects of your character, I just think you and I are willing to accept a different level of setting molding that occurs as a part of that character discovery.

Quote from: Sigmund;361867I've never claimed to be a towering pinnacle of maturity and intellectual prowess, so I apologize if my abuse of the liberal language policy on this forum has bothered anyone. I swear alot in real life conversation too, although I do a fairly good job of restraining myself when younger folks are about. Drove my ex-wife nuts... luckily my current girlfriend swears almost as much as I do. Out of respect for ya'all I will endeavor to restrain myself somewhat in the future, and Seanchai, if my obscenities truly bothered you I apologize for that as well. I am capable of making a point without going all Richard Pryor, it just comes out when I get my dander up.

Dude, don't feel the need to censor yourself in the slightest, that's not what this place is about.

And especially don't do it on Seanchai's account.  He doesn't give a flying fuck, it's just another troll tactic, and nothing more.  He's a useless sack of shit, and this whole goddamn board would be a lot better off if people would realize he's just here to start argument with everyone, and ignore his ass.  

Seanchai is not a being that possess morals or opinions or principles to be offended.  His stance in any given situation is deliberately chosen to be as contrary to the thrust of the thread as possible, for maximum public agitation.  That's how he works, that's how he has always worked, going back like a fucking decade now.  

Just ignore him, and go about your business.

Quote from: J Arcane;361870Dude, don't feel the need to censor yourself in the slightest, that's not what this place is about.

And especially don't do it on Seanchai's account.  He doesn't give a flying fuck, it's just another troll tactic, and nothing more.  He's a useless sack of shit, and this whole goddamn board would be a lot better off if people would realize he's just here to start argument with everyone, and ignore his ass.  

Seanchai is not a being that possess morals or opinions or principles to be offended.  His stance in any given situation is deliberately chosen to be as contrary to the thrust of the thread as possible, for maximum public agitation.  That's how he works, that's how he has always worked, going back like a fucking decade now.  

Just ignore him, and go about your business.

I got ya, but really I apologize for me, because I do get bummed that I let folks get to me like that and bring the barbarian out in me. Plus, I like this forum because I like the discussions and lots of the folks that participate in them so I want to express respect for ya'all too.

I agree with J.

Anybody who gets offended about the use of this or that word on this forum really isn't at the right place and needs to search for some PG-rated conversation elsewhere. This is definitely not the board where one would use flowery language, various degrees of understatements and politically correct phrases to bring the point any more home than it otherwise would be.

You don't have to apologize to anyone, Sigmund.

Seanchai just brings it up to claim some sort of moral high ground he cannot possibly stand on in the first place. His years of baiting and trolling on these very boards will make any regular here laugh at the very idea.

I'm deeply offended.
Also, I'm wearing pants made entirely out of doughnuts. The difficult part is getting the holes lined up right. Furthermore, it's important to avoid police- for a variety of reasons.

Quote from: Benoist;361881I agree with J.

Anybody who gets offended about the use of this or that word on this forum really isn't at the right place and needs to search for some PG-rated conversation elsewhere. This is definitely not the board where one would use flowery language, various degrees of understatements and politically correct phrases to bring the point any more home than it otherwise would be.

You don't have to apologize to anyone, Sigmund.

Seanchai just brings it up to claim some sort of moral high ground he cannot possibly stand on in the first place. His years of baiting and trolling on these very boards will make any regular here laugh at the very idea.

Oh I know, but I own my behavior, and he has to own his. Glad it doesn't bother ya'all though.

Quote from: Aos;361885I'm deeply offended.
Also, I'm wearing pants made entirely out of doughnuts. The difficult part is getting the holes lined up right. Furthermore, it's important to avoid police- for a variety of reasons.

You might also want to avoid Weight Watchers meetings, Overeaters Anonymous, and Homer Simpson.

Quote from: Benoist;361836Except you constantly answer people seemingly fitting your description here.

You're confusing me with someone else.

Quote from: Benoist;361849I love the part where he rants about people resorting to insults and obscenities versus the part where he calls Sigmund a fucktard, personally.

I do occasionally curse and insult. It is not, however, my modus operandi. Which is markedly different than others here, who couldn't be civil with the Virgin Mary hovering over them.

Seanchai

Quote from: Sigmund;361837If you didn't mean to single me out then maybe you should have said so.

Maybe you shouldn't respond like a jackass.

Quote from: Sigmund;361837Are you so thin skinned that you can't handle some obscenities, or do you not know what they mean?

Neither. I curse like a sailor in real life. I don't mistake cursing for conversation, however (much less debate).

Quote from: Sigmund;361837You never feel like apologies or retractions because you're apparently so arrogant you don't feel capable of making mistakes.

I've actually done both here.

Again, if you bumped into someone in the street and they cursed you out, would you leap to apologize? I doubt it. Not because of the language used per se, but because their response to a small thing was initially and instantly so hostile.

Seanchai

Quote from: Seanchai;361941You're confusing me with someone else.

Who did you just answer to right now? Me and Sigmund. And you didn't pick any posts with actual on-topic substance, mind you, but posts directly critical of your behavior instead.

Either we fit your description of assholes and you've just proven my point that you keep answering to people you say you learned how to ignore, or we don't, and there was no point to bring up the whole tirade on how you're better off ignoring these assholes in the first place.

Nope. I daresay I'm right on the money, here. Logic's a bitch, ain't it?

Quote from: Seanchai;361943Maybe you shouldn't respond like a jackass.

Says someone who responds like a jackass all the time. Way to be a hypocrite. And ya know what, maybe I shouldn't have. I'll own that, but none of that has anything to do with you insulting me undeservedly in the first place. You're simply trying to engage in misdirection to take the focus off yourself. It's not working.

QuoteNeither. I curse like a sailor in real life. I don't mistake cursing for conversation, however (much less debate).

Well an insult is an insult whether cursing is involved or not. That was my response to your insult. I'm not sure how you expect people to respond to insults here or anywhere, but it seems what you expect and what is most likely to really occur are fairly mismatched. Plus, I'm curious now why you seem to be saying you wanted a conversation. Do you often insult people in the normal course of conversation?

QuoteI've actually done both here.

Again, if you bumped into someone in the street and they cursed you out, would you leap to apologize? I doubt it. Not because of the language used per se, but because their response to a small thing was initially and instantly so hostile.

Seanchai

Of course not, but we're not walking down the street and you didn't bump into me. You took something I said, by quoting it directly, and deliberately belittled it, inaccurately to boot, and then have argued about how you either weren't wrong to do so or how whether you were or not doesn't matter in regards to acknowledging your mistake because of how I responded. Both of those arguments are pathetic. However, if you don't mind looking pathetic then it's certainly no skin off my nose. More power to ya.

Quote from: two_fishes;361823I really enjoy bringing a PC to the table with just scraps on information about who he is and where he's from, and a lot of unanswered questions to be filled in later.

So do I, actually The difference of opinion arises over how those questions are answered.

My feeling is, if you want your character to be a member of an organization in the game-world, then join one or found one. Creating an organization, or any other setting detail, on the fly and introducing it may help create 'good fiction' for you, but I prefer exploring the setting, which means dealing with it on its own terms. The world is what it is, and my ability to change that as a player comes from my in-character choices, not out-of-character creation.

Quote from: Sigmund;361249I included a history and guidelines for an order of dwarven monks that were dedicated to keeping their fellow dwarves safe from their own tempers while engaging in heavy drinking.

Way cool.

Quote from: The Shaman;361951So do I, actually The difference of opinion arises over how those questions are answered.

My feeling is, if you want your character to be a member of an organization in the game-world, then join one or found one. Creating an organization, or any other setting detail, on the fly and introducing it may help create 'good fiction' for you, but I prefer exploring the setting, which means dealing with it on its own terms. The world is what it is, and my ability to change that as a player comes from my in-character choices, not out-of-character creation.

I'm with you exactly. The dwarven thing I made I did during chargen, but if I were to want to find something like that after starting I think you're right on the money that founding it would make for even better RPing and would lead to great session ideas for the GM. Different strokes I suppose, although I suspect even folks like two_fishes would be into this as well as the way the example describes.