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[4e is not for everyone] The Tyranny of Fun: quit obsessing over my 2008 post already

Started by Melan, June 27, 2008, 04:42:17 AM

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thecasualoblivion

#1050
June 23, 2010, 11:07:34 AM
Quote from: Abyssal Maw;389271He's providing you with serious debate and all you can do is flee the argument, calling him a troll?

Listen. You have stupid, self-glorifying, amateur theories and you can't defend them. You have a few guys who will come by and validate you, but be aware these same dudes will agree with anyone they think is anti-4E, for any reason whatsoever. If someone were to show up here to tomorrow and prove 4th Edition D&D is somehow bad or wrong by a completely opposing theory, they'd agree with that too.

One person puts up a crap theory, 5 or so people decide the crap theory is truth and then they spend 50+ pages telling everybody that they are trolls for disagreeing with it. Didn't people flee rpgnet and ENWorld to get away from that sort of crap?
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LordVreeg

#1051
June 23, 2010, 11:25:10 AM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;389318One person puts up a crap theory, 5 or so people decide the crap theory is truth and then they spend 50+ pages telling everybody that they are trolls for disagreeing with it. Didn't people flee rpgnet and ENWorld to get away from that sort of crap?

Well, that is one viewpoint.  
Maybe the 'crap theory' was something that other people were already using, or linked other well proven and well used ideas together.
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thecasualoblivion

#1052
June 23, 2010, 11:30:46 AM
Quote from: LordVreeg;389322Well, that is one viewpoint.  
Maybe the 'crap theory' was something that other people were already using, or linked other well proven and well used ideas together.

Or maybe it was simply an opinion, no better or worse than any other opinion, shared by a small group of people who start ramming it down everyone's throat as truth.

The above statement is the sort of thing people ridicule RPGnet for here.
"Other RPGs tend to focus on other aspects of roleplaying, while D&D traditionally focuses on racially-based home invasion, murder and theft."--The Little Raven, RPGnet

"We\'re not more violent than other countries. We just have more worthless people who need to die."

beejazz

#1053
June 23, 2010, 11:40:02 AM
Quote from: thecasualoblivionOr maybe it was simply an opinion, no better or worse than any other opinion, shared by a small group of people who start ramming it down everyone's throat as truth.

The above statement is the sort of thing people ridicule RPGnet for here.

Have you considered the possibility that some opinions are actually better or worse than other opinions? For example, if I opined that nuking Australia into oblivion would be the coolest thing ever, you don't see how that would be a worse opinion than say opining that rape is more or less always  bad? I'm using extreme examples, but all opinions aren't equal.

And have you considered that the actual difference between here and RPGnet is that if you disagree with the wrong people on a moderated forum, moderators do something about it, whereas here people are free to do and say as they like (most of the time). And that people didn't come crying over here because people disagreed with them... they were kicked out.

thecasualoblivion

#1054
June 23, 2010, 11:50:52 AM
Quote from: beejazz;389324Have you considered the possibility that some opinions are actually better or worse than other opinions? For example, if I opined that nuking Australia into oblivion would be the coolest thing ever, you don't see how that would be a worse opinion than say opining that rape is more or less always  bad? I'm using extreme examples, but all opinions aren't equal.

And have you considered that the actual difference between here and RPGnet is that if you disagree with the wrong people on a moderated forum, moderators do something about it, whereas here people are free to do and say as they like (most of the time). And that people didn't come crying over here because people disagreed with them... they were kicked out.

People in this case aren't arguing opinions. They are arguing that what they say is truth, and that the other side is deluded and not even participating in the discussion.
"Other RPGs tend to focus on other aspects of roleplaying, while D&D traditionally focuses on racially-based home invasion, murder and theft."--The Little Raven, RPGnet

"We\'re not more violent than other countries. We just have more worthless people who need to die."

beejazz

#1055
June 23, 2010, 11:54:01 AM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;389325People in this case aren't arguing opinions. They are arguing that what they say is truth, and that the other side is deluded and not even participating in the discussion.

Firstly, how many of your opinions do you believe are false? And oh no, people are accusing people of things on the internet! Never mind whether the accusations have any merit, people shouldn't be allowed to be mean to other people, especially you or people who agree with you.

thecasualoblivion

#1056
June 23, 2010, 11:57:14 AM
Quote from: beejazz;389326Firstly, how many of your opinions do you believe are false? And oh no, people are accusing people of things on the internet! Never mind whether the accusations have any merit, people shouldn't be allowed to be mean to other people, especially you or people who agree with you.

I believe my opinions are opinions, and I treat them as such.
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"We\'re not more violent than other countries. We just have more worthless people who need to die."

Benoist

#1057
June 23, 2010, 12:04:02 PM
Don't forget, folks: TCO is just here to troll.

Wear some protection, and have a good day! :)

thecasualoblivion

#1058
June 23, 2010, 12:06:09 PM
Quote from: Benoist;389329Don't forget, folks: TCO is just here to troll.

Wear some protection, and have a good day! :)

Being here to troll and being here to argue are two separate things. I try to have a point, and to make points. Some lazy people prefer to call people names as opposed to actually discussing things.
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"We\'re not more violent than other countries. We just have more worthless people who need to die."

StormBringer

#1059
June 23, 2010, 12:07:14 PM
Quote from: noisms;389269Sure, I just find it more than a little ironic that the real Old School probably weren't doing anything all that much different to what the people at story-games.com are doing right now and pretending is hip and new.
Hmmm...  Fascinating.  We will have to explore this theme at some point in the future.  I have no particular opinion about the story-games folks, other than Andy K is good people, and I don't much care about the OSR.  I would like to hear where you think they coincide in the modern gaming era.
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J Arcane

#1060
June 23, 2010, 12:07:46 PM
In all fairness, this whole "dissociative mechanics" thread is a load of pseudo-intellectual bollocks.

It's just that the whole "Immersion doesn't exist/is a sign of insanity/etc." thing is ALSO a load of bollocks.

No one's coming up smelling of roses here.
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thecasualoblivion

#1061
June 23, 2010, 12:10:35 PM
Quote from: J Arcane;389332In all fairness, this whole "dissociative mechanics" thread is a load of pseudo-intellectual bollocks.

It's just that the whole "Immersion doesn't exist/is a sign of insanity/etc." thing is ALSO a load of bollocks.

No one's coming up smelling of roses here.

I agree on both counts. I would say that dissociative mechanics as put forward by those discussing it is a veiled attempt at labeling as badwrongfun that which people disapprove of. Immersion doesn't exist is similarly bullshit, though I would argue that immersion isn't as black and white as its proponents try to make it out to be.
"Other RPGs tend to focus on other aspects of roleplaying, while D&D traditionally focuses on racially-based home invasion, murder and theft."--The Little Raven, RPGnet

"We\'re not more violent than other countries. We just have more worthless people who need to die."

beejazz

#1062
June 23, 2010, 12:16:49 PM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;389327I believe my opinions are opinions, and I treat them as such.

Opinions can have more or less merit than other opinions, and there still isn't a damn thing wrong with contradicting people on an unmoderated forum. At least the other people on this thread are arguing actual points (though on the 4e side of things that's mostly just Pseudo all by himself right now), instead of just whining that people are arguing.

StormBringer

#1063
June 23, 2010, 12:17:08 PM
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StormBringer

#1064
June 23, 2010, 12:21:13 PM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;389318Didn't people flee rpgnet and ENWorld to get away from that sort of crap?
No, mostly we were trying to get away from your passive agressive bullshit, like the junior high ideas about 'opinions' you hold.  It's douchebags like you that made a bee-line to the moderators when called on being passive aggressive douchebags.
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