Quote from: Abyssal Maw;291411I love your map!

Seconded.

It looks like something created for Encounter Critical. And I mean that only in the most positive way.

Well, I never played in Eberron, it wasn't my bag.  I do recognize that it is a popular and well put together setting, though.

As for Forgotten Realms, my thinking is somewhere in the middle.  I agree that the setting became overdeveloped.  And while it's all good and well to say "find player's who don't care about canon", it's far easier said than done.  So, yeah, I tend to shy away from pre-4th FR because I don't keep up with all the canon.

That said, I'm not sure the 4e changes were absolutely necessary and I'm not sure I like some of them.  I also don't think the "land o' super NPCs" was necessarily a problem.

Right now, I'm actually just using the implied setting presented in the DMG.  It contained enough to get my campaign started (at some point it will likely shift to FR).

Like others, I'd love to see a 4e Dark Sun.  I'd also like to see a 4e Al-Qadim (yeah, I know that's a lost cause).  My favorite setting from the days of old was probably Ravenloft, but I'm not so sure about the 4e version because Ravenloft works better for lower-powered games IMO (though I did do a one-shot of 4e set in Ravenloft and that worked fine).

I think most of these are a lost cause.  They went with FR because its the big money-maker, and Eberron because its WoTC's baby. Look for future settings to be "new" hipper "cool" settings that they will design full of corporate pre-fab extra-kewlawesomeness that will utterly SUCK.  They will be two-dimensional props for people to have battles and encounters in, full of "kewl" names like the "shadowfell" and won't have any of those nasty concerns about emulation or immersion to get in the way at all.  They'll be utterly prefab to have no life or personality whatsoever (apart from the shallow shouting-I'M-AWESOME!!!!-every-second-really-loudly-thinking-that-makes-you-awesome hideous personality), and the retards at WoTC and the suits at Hasbro will actually think that's wonderful, try to sell it as wonderful, and deride earlier settings for being actual worlds as if that was a bad thing.

Seriously, Eberron will seem like the most coherent, realistic, in-depth and not-at-all-overpowered world ever compared to what will be coming.

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPundit;291673(apart from the shallow shouting-I'M-AWESOME!!!!-every-second-really-loudly-thinking-that-makes-you-awesome hideous personality),


RPGPundit

Quoted for irony.

QuoteHalflings that ride Dinosaurs.

cringe-cringe-cringe

I think the only thing that would make it worse would be manga-style artwork.

Quote from: RPGPunditI think most of these are a lost cause...

Look for future settings to be "new" hipper "cool" settings

So you're saying Dark Sun and Spelljammer won't happen because they aren't cool enough? Really?

Quote from: beejazz;291774So you're saying Dark Sun and Spelljammer won't happen because they aren't cool enough? Really?

Yup. Their "hipness" is a totally late-80s/early-90s hipness. If revived, they would have to be upgraged to a late-2000s-hipness, or even redone as a "retro"-style hipness.

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPundit;291790Yup. Their "hipness" is a totally late-80s/early-90s hipness. If revived, they would have to be upgraged to a late-2000s-hipness, or even redone as a "retro"-style hipness.

RPGPundit

As opposed to all the crazy shit Gygax put in Greyhawk or Arneson put in Blackmoor?  You know, 70's style hipness.  OD&D was dripping in it.

Quote from: kregmosier;291683 cringe-cringe-cringe

I think the only thing that would make it worse would be manga-style artwork.

When I found out about this, people in my old gaming group were like, "Wow, awesome!" and thought it was both hilarious and cool. I was kinda like, "hmm, it's... interesting?"

It's just the sort of element that kills the fantasy feel of the setting for me.

I liked the idea of the Warforged and played one in a short Eberron campaign, until I realized it meant every fucking NPC was going to treat my character like dirt even after I got to prove my worth. It was a GM problem, but it left a bad taste in my mouth, not that Eberron impressed me on its own to begin with...

Quote from: jgants;291791You know, 70's style hipness.  

Quote from: droog;291798

Cue Leonard Nimoy singing the hobbit song.

Okay, for that you get this: The Battle of Evermore

The dark lord rides in force tonight
And time will tell us all...

.....

Suddenly I'm not feeling so bad about the mullet.

Quote from: jgants;291791As opposed to all the crazy shit Gygax put in Greyhawk or Arneson put in Blackmoor?  You know, 70's style hipness.  OD&D was dripping in it.

Sure.
But the real difference is that that Greyhawk and Blackmoor had something else besides hipness: content and meaning.
So did Dark Sun and even Spelljammer (though precious little in the last case), for that matter.

But Eberron? Its ONLY "hip". There's nothing there except Poochie.

And I'm sure that whatever setting the geniuses behind 4e try to come up with, it'll be "TOTAL EXXXXTREME POOCHIE".

RPGPundit