Quote from: James J SkachMan, that thread is a read.....

Like the part where you attribute fighter powers to "Asin influences?" Or that other part where Sett defends ToB by calling it "more like 300?" No snark meant, btw, but speculation is... well... only speculation after all.

Or the part where Sett uses that "experiential" word and actually defines it, rather than leaving it hanging and assuming you read this dusty old thing?

QuoteI don´t like fighting mooks. Mooks destroy my gaming fun.

Either they are what they are because they are what they are, or I´m out.

Although, FWIW, Sett... actually a sensible statement. Depends on what mood I'm in, but I see eye to eye with you on the mook concern.

EDIT: OMG! The 3x Fighter is underbalanced? It's the most abusable class in the game! Thanks for the link. This thread is awesome.

Quote from: T. FosterIt specifies in the book (in the paragraph after that list) that the digital camera is useful in case you have to stop playing in the middle of an encounter -- you can take a picture of the board and everybody's positions on it so that you can pick up where you left off later.

Oh.  So 4e is actually a boardgame.

Pants.

!i!

Quote from: beejazzLike the part where you attribute fighter powers to "Asin influences?" Or that other part where Sett defends ToB by calling it "more like 300?" No snark meant, btw, but speculation is... well... only speculation after all.

Or the part where Sett uses that "experiential" word and actually defines it, rather than leaving it hanging and assuming you read this dusty old thing?

Although, FWIW, Sett... actually a sensible statement. Depends on what mood I'm in, but I see eye to eye with you on the mook concern.

EDIT: OMG! The 3x Fighter is underbalanced? It's the most abusable class in the game! Thanks for the link. This thread is awesome.

Hey man - I'm so relaxed about my speculation in that thread I didn't even go back, before posting the link here, and correct all the spelling errors.

But read it and realize how off track everyone gets on the anime/Asian stuff - when really what I get down to is how fighters now have powers and how the game, if influenced heavily by Bo9S, would become much more "cinematic."

Lo and behold...

Quote from: James J SkachLo and behold...

Hey, speculation is just speculation, but with enough of it out there some of it is bound to be right. This for example:

Quote from: James J SkachIf they do as you say, and create the same kind of "maneuver" based approach but stay more true, for the core rules, to the implied pseudo-medieval-fanasty setting, it might work. I hope it does, I'd love to be a fan of D&D in the future.  But I've said repeatedly, I'll wait to pass judgement until 4th Edition comes out in May(?)

May indeed!:D

Quote from: beejazzOr the part where Sett uses that "experiential" word and actually defines it, rather than leaving it hanging and assuming you read this dusty old thing?

Now imagine you had my memory.

How frustrating this site is, because of people like you who can´t accept or remember stuff said in August.

Honestly, people are so stupid as to forget stuff said in the very same thread.

Eithr you guys are all morons or I´m a super-genius with ultra-memory-abilities.

Either way this is a fine example of why theRPGsite is bad for me.

BTW, I still think B9S can be finely played with a mediaval or archaical feeling. No wuxia needed.
I still think the straight Warblade is much more powerful and fun than the straight fighter.

Maneuvres are okay if ONE party member has them. But I´d never play a maneuvre-wielder if I have a choice in it.

I said all this last week but to the likes of you it must bne as if I never said it, or we never discussed it. I´m pretty exhausted on this. This is anti-civilizatory.

Fighting with people just becase their memories are like sieves, not even reaching the point were an actual argument can come up.

Quote from: SettembriniHonestly, people are so stupid as to forget stuff said in the very same thread.

Eithr you guys are all morons or I´m a super-genius with ultra-memory-abilities.

Actually, I'm one of those weirdos who remembers everything he sees in print. I just have a life and don't read every single thread on these boards. Sue me. It's no excuse for you to be lazy and try and make up jargon.

QuoteEither way this is a fine example of why theRPGsite is bad for me.

Try the forge. I hear they expect each other to have read everything they've said before a discussion starts. You know what made this site rock early on? Was that we could stick it to the pretentious jargon-spewing fuckwits who made this hobby into something other than a source of entertainment.

QuoteBTW, I still think B9S can be finely played with a mediaval or archaical feeling. No wuxia needed.
I still think the straight Warblade is much more powerful and fun than the straight fighter.

Maneuvres are okay if ONE party member has them. But I´d never play a maneuvre-wielder if I have a choice in it.

As I've said, you make sense in places. This is why it maddens me to see you shouting incoherently. Because you actually have points now and again and they get lost in the noise. See again: Old RPGSite actually gave a shit about the signal to noise ratio.

QuoteThis is anti-civilizatory.

And you go back to making up words.

QuoteFighting with people just becase their memories are like sieves, not even reaching the point were an actual argument can come up.

And if you'll remember I didn't make "OMG drama" posts when you said you were leaving. I thought it was a sensible idea. It looks like you need a break. This forum serves to either give us useful information or to be its own entertainment venue exchanging gossip. Some people have a problem with the latter; I don't. It seems like you aren't getting much out of this site, and you aren't contributing anything most of us are interested in reading (notable exception of Pierce maybe?). So if this site isn't doing it for you, you may want to take that loudly declared break already.

Are we on about the "influences" again?

If you're worried that watching jap cartoons while grinding through Azeroth is going to ruin your game, play D&D 4e in my campaign setting, which has no anime or WoW shit in it, while successfully integrating all to most elements of 4e.

http://www.therpgsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8875

Sett: B9S characters need environments rich in tactical possibilities to really encourage a diversity of powers.

Sett is just pissed because Mearls seems to have drunk the Forge koolaid and may have designed a "gamist" game and/or (as he expressed in another thread) that 4E is the type of (D&D) game, gamers may have actually wanted all this time.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: SettembriniEithr you guys are all morons or I´m a super-genius with ultra-memory-abilities.

That's very possible. I think it's also possible most of us take the site a *lot* less seriously, and perhaps put a bit more effort into trying to make ourselves clear than memorizing the prattle of last summer.

Quote from: PseudoephedrineAre we on about the "influences" again?

Not me. I was just wondering if they had included a list of their influences in the DMG. I didn't expect them to, but I didn't want to simply assume so. I actually don't care if WoW or anime/manga or Magic were influences. I assume they were, each to different extents, as I'm sure there were many other literary, cinematic, and historical influences. I'm just disappointed they didn't include a "required reading/viewing" list.

As I said above, Gygax's list in the 1e DMG is one that I still draw from, and I think such lists help gamers, young and old alike, expand their horizons. Matter of fact, I'd say that 1e appendix was probably the influential thing about D&D upon me back when I was 13-14. It was instrumental in helping me find and read a lot of good stuff. Decades before the internet, it was tough for a kid like me to know what was out there except by random choice at the fairly bad bookstores that I had access to at the time.

Quote from: ColonelHardissonI assume they were, each to different extents, as I'm sure there were many other literary, cinematic, and historical influences. I'm just disappointed they didn't include a "required reading/viewing" list.

I always enjoyed the "suggested reading" list included in some rpgs, not only for the reasons you mentioned but also because it gave me some insight into how the designers viewed their creation in relation to other sources of fiction.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: beejazzHey, speculation is just speculation, but with enough of it out there some of it is bound to be right.

May indeed!:D

Look at that...son of a...damn I'm better than I thought! :haw:

Quote from: PseudoephedrineAre we on about the "influences" again?

If you're worried that watching jap cartoons while grinding through Azeroth is going to ruin your game, play D&D 4e in my campaign setting, which has no anime or WoW shit in it, while successfully integrating all to most elements of 4e.

http://www.therpgsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8875

And...yet again...you miss the point entirely...

Quote from: James J SkachAnd...yet again...you miss the point entirely...

Not really. Once again, I'm making the point that these mysterious and terrible "influences" really don't determine much about the game at all compared to actual play and the culture of interpretation and use that arises around the game. Exalted, for example claims the Iliad as a source, despite having almost nothing at all in common with it.