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2e Q: Magic items

Started by Settembrini, September 30, 2007, 03:20:40 AM

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Settembrini

How does the synergy between Gauntlets of Ogre Power and Girdle of Giant Strength work in AD&D 2e?
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Premier

Interesting question. The DMG specifically mentiones that the Gauntlets are especially useful when combined with the Girdle, and that the Girdle's STR bonus doesn't 'stack' with anything except the Gauntlet's effect. However, it doesn't say anything about how this combination is supposed to work. I daresay it's an editing oversight, and you're probably in houserule territory.
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Settembrini

*Bump*

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How was it done in 1e?
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Settembrini

Quote from: PremierInteresting question. The DMG specifically mentiones that the Gauntlets are especially useful when combined with the Girdle, and that the Girdle's STR bonus doesn't 'stack' with anything except the Gauntlet's effect. However, it doesn't say anything about how this combination is supposed to work. I daresay it's an editing oversight, and you're probably in houserule territory.

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Spazmodeus

The wording of the Girdle seems to say that the bonuses to hit and damage will stack with the Gauntlets or with natural strength bonuses when using magical warhammers.

There's some support for this stacking in the the Hammer of Thunderbolts, which takes both Gauntlets of Ogre Power and a Girdle of Giant Strength to get the full effect, which is mighty indeed: +5 to hit, double die damage, all girdle and gauntlet bonuses (stacked?), and kills any giant it hits.

Don't think I've ever had a character get both Girdle and Gauntlets before in my games, since the players tend to divide up the Strength bonus items so more characters get bonuses.

I might have to check out the old Dragon Archive CDs and see if there's anything in the old Sage Advice columns about this.
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Settembrini

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Settembrini

Quote from: SpazmodeusThere's some support for this stacking in the the Hammer of Thunderbolts, which takes both Gauntlets of Ogre Power and a Girdle of Giant Strength to get the full effect, which is mighty indeed: +5 to hit, double die damage, all girdle and gauntlet bonuses (stacked?), and kills any giant it hits.

This is were I´m mostly stunted, as you don´t get a bonus, but are raised to a certain strength, no?
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JamesV

Quote from: SettembriniThis is were I´m mostly stunted, as you don´t get a bonus, but are raised to a certain strength, no?

Actually I always that that was the bonus on top of the ridiculous strength boost. If you are actually capable, and to a degree, allowed to have all three items at once, you've earned the right to be one tough cookie.
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Spazmodeus

According to the Sage Advice from Dragon #147:

"I understand that strength bonuses from gauntlets of ogre power and the various girdles of giant strength are cumulative under certain conditions.  What are these conditions?
These items are cumulative only when the wearer is wielding a magical war hammer, either held or hurled.  (See the DMG, page 145, girdle of giant strength; the reference to "hurled weapon" in the text for the gauntlets of ogre power on the same page should be taken to mean a magical war hammer.  See also pages 168-169, hammer +3 dwarven thrower and hammer of thunderbolts.)  The gauntlets' and girdle's powers may not be combined for any other purpose."

This is all in regard to the 1st edition versions of the items, but the wording is the same 2nd edition also, so there you go.
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