Quote from: Sacrosanct;546640Yeah, I'm a bit worried about that, because I remember, years ago, Trampier state that he holds the rights to his artwork because he was wanting to put together a project of all his Wormy Stuff.

If Tramp does hold the rights, and since he appears to want nothing to do with rpgs, it might be problematic to use the same art.

That fell through.  He sold shares in an attempt to "kickstarter" a project to sue TSR to get Wormy back and shareholders would receive things like original art, signed & numbered special editions etc. of the books.  When the deal fell through he slowly, over time, paid back all the shareholders...so TSR held the rights to the art.

His stuff popped up in the Return to the Tomb of Horrors set, the Silver Anniversary Set, the Dragon Magazine archives (it wasn't him who stopped that from being sold, it was K&C), the 4e Village of Hommlet set...

QuoteBut I doubt that, because the covers reuse some of the old art.  So they have to be able to use it all.

I'd wager.

I have a sneaking suspicion, too, that any "offensive" art will be removed because "we couldn't get the rights to that piece" or "we couldn't find a really good quality scan" etc.  Watch.  You wait.  They'll find some other pieces to throw away with them, too, to try and disguise that's what they're doing but I'd bet my last GP that's what's going to happen.  I mean, I hope that's not the case but I'd wager it will happen.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;546658I have a sneaking suspicion, too, that any "offensive" art will be removed because "we couldn't get the rights to that piece" or "we couldn't find a really good quality scan" etc.  Watch.  You wait.  They'll find some other pieces to throw away with them, too, to try and disguise that's what they're doing but I'd bet my last GP that's what's going to happen.  I mean, I hope that's not the case but I'd wager it will happen.

You're probably right.  Like that succubus image at the back of the DMG by Darlene (?)

No boobies for WotC

Quote from: Sacrosanct;546659You're probably right.  Like that succubus image at the back of the DMG by Darlene (?)

No boobies for WotC

Yup.

Probably, like the covers, more "replacement" "tribute" art that "evokes the old illustrations".

I hope not.

I want the real deal, thank you very much. Full illos please!

QuoteIn stocking the setting for initial play in the campaign, you must use great
care. Consider the circumstances of the milieu and the number of player
characters who will be active in it. Then, from the lists of possible items,
choose a selection which is commensurate with the setting and the characters
involved. For example, you might opt for several potions, a scroll of 1 spell, a
wand, a pair of boots of elvenkind, several +1 magic arrows, and a +1 magic
dagger. As these items will be guarded by relatively weak creatures, you will
allow only weak items. The potions will be healing, heroism, levitation or the
like. The spell on the scroll will be low level — first or second. If you do
decide placement of the wand is appropriate, you will make certain that its
guardian will use it in defense, and the instrument will have few charges left
in any event, with a power which is not out of line with the level of the
characters likely to acquire it. The magical boots will be worn by a denizen of
the area. While the magic arrows might not be used against adventurers, the
+1 dagger will be. With all this in mind, you place the items in the
countryside and first/upper level of the dungeon/dungeon-like setting. You
never allow more than a single item or grouping (such as 3 magic arrows) to
a treasure, nor more treasures with magic items than 1 in 5 to 1 in 10, as this
is an initial adventuring setting.

This was replaced with wealth-by-level?  A tragedy.

Quote from: B.T.;546680This was replaced with wealth-by-level?  A tragedy.

Thinking about actual magic items and treasure placement on your map is super hard after all and we shouldn't have to do that, because it is discriminatory against illiterate and dumb DMs. Topher told me that so it must be true, right?

Quote from: Benoist;546682Thinking about actual magic items and treasure placement on your map is super hard after all and we shouldn't have to do that, because it is discriminatory against illiterate and dumb DMs. Topher told me that.

Boy, you're in full sail today.

Quote from: B.T.;546680This was replaced with wealth-by-level?  A tragedy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkHst8GYbYI

Nah, they won't remove the succubus or the other one or two pictures with boobies. They're tame, they're iconic, and nobody but greybeards are buying these books anyway.

Quote from: Killfuck Soulshitter;546689Nah, they won't remove the succubus or the other one or two pictures with boobies. They're tame, they're iconic, and nobody but greybeards are buying these books anyway.

I have a sneaking suspicion more than a few newer players will mistake the books for Next and make a purchase.

Quote from: Killfuck Soulshitter;546689nobody but greybeards are buying these books anyway.

Actually, judging by the reception on RPGnet and ENWorld (I know, awesome sample) there seems to be quite a few "newbies" or veterans who have never actually played First Ed who are interested to find out what all the fuss is all about.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;546659You're probably right.  Like that succubus image at the back of the DMG by Darlene (?)

No boobies for WotC

Quote from: thedungeondelver;546664Yup.

Probably, like the covers, more "replacement" "tribute" art that "evokes the old illustrations".

Quote from: Benoist;546668I hope not.

I want the real deal, thank you very much. Full illos please!

I'm actually not that concerned with the original art.  It would be nice, but as long as there are suitable sub replacements that don't throw the formatting off, I will be quite happy.  I am interested in the original texts, so I can finally put my old copies up before they get really beat up or have something spilled on them.  Doubleplus bonus if they have a pdf (which it looks like they will) on offer as well.  Excellent if it comes with the dead tree purchase, but still good if available separately for a reasonable price.

Quote from: StormBringer;546716I'm actually not that concerned with the original art.  It would be nice, but as long as there are suitable sub replacements that don't throw the formatting off, I will be quite happy.  I am interested in the original texts, so I can finally put my old copies up before they get really beat up or have something spilled on them.  Doubleplus bonus if they have a pdf (which it looks like they will) on offer as well.  Excellent if it comes with the dead tree purchase, but still good if available separately for a reasonable price.

See, and I like the old art.  Not necessarily the boobies, but you can't replace Tramp, and I really liked the comics (something you haven't seen since and the lack thereof I blame for people taking the game way to seriously), and the side scrolling illustration in the DMG that covered several pages.

Quote from: Benoist;546695Actually, judging by the reception on RPGnet and ENWorld (I know, awesome sample) there seems to be quite a few "newbies" or veterans who have never actually played First Ed who are interested to find out what all the fuss is all about.

I think that they will be equally wowed and horrified (intended in the most loving way possible)

Quote from: Sacrosanct;546721See, and I like the old art.  Not necessarily the boobies, but you can't replace Tramp, and I really liked the comics (something you haven't seen since and the lack thereof I blame for people taking the game way to seriously), and the side scrolling illustration in the DMG that covered several pages.

See this man right here knows his shit. Y'all should listen to him.