Quote from: GeekyBugle;1145776Made of the most modern alloys. You sure this is the hill you want to die on? Since he can't use his feet how the fuck does he use his hands to fend off any attack?

Modern Alloys?  Pfft, its not even Damascus steel or Mithril.

Maybe if you made it out of bone and enchanted it with animate dead, it would carry you independently?

Quote from: Brad;1145737Oh hey look, stupid ass idea causes even more division. Goal achieved, I guess.

Have to agree here. Why is it wrong to maybe want to play a handicapped character?

Quote from: Omega;1145805Have to agree here. Why is it wrong to maybe want to play a handicapped character?

Why is it right to maybe want to play a handicapped character?

Quote from: Mistwell;1145759Are you seriously denying there is a dominant orthodoxy on this forum which is anti-SJW?

Theres a huge gaping wound of difference between SJWs and actual social helping.

I'll repeat this again.

Through all iterations through the decades of this idiocy. Not one single SJW has ever actually helped us and has in fact more often harmed us in one form or another byt "speaking for us" and making us look like unreasonable attention whores. Or turning us into a token trophy or quota checkmark on a virtue list.

It takes people with genuine concern getting out there and doing something to get changes made where they really need made.

Quote from: Ghostmaker;1145801Maybe if you made it out of bone and enchanted it with animate dead, it would carry you independently?

That and many other options. A basic Animate Object spell in D&D can serve even. Hell with the 5e version you can make a chair that can walk around and negotiate obstacles like a quadruped. No need for wheels even. And thats at the most basic. Your animated bone conveyance is spot on.

Quote from: RandyB;1145807Why is it right to maybe want to play a handicapped character?

Why are you stupid? I doubt you can answer that one though...

But sure. Lets play your little troll game because its actually beneficial to real posters. Not you.

Why? Havent we discussed that enough allready? Obviously you didnt read any of that so why the hell should I repeat myself?

But heres some more reasons.

1: Becoming disabled during gameplay. In D&D alone theres various things that can leave a character disabled. Especially if higher level healing magics are rare, or expensive, or both. The PC or player might want to soldier on and at least complete the quest on hand. Or be in a situation where they have no choice and must carry on as is. This includes starting an adventurer right after such an accident and proceeding from there.

2: Because the player things it will be interesting. Or, from experience with this as a DM, challenging. Not everyone out there min/maxes and char-ops the game to death.

Quote from: RandyB;1145807Why is it right to maybe want to play a handicapped character?

Because a legless gnome wizard (both drunk and without lower legs) casting fireballs from the back of a mastiff running around the dungeon is the ultimate shenanigans?

Now if only I can convince a DM to let him ride a blink dog...

I wonder how all the defenders of this concept would feel about an able person asking to play a disabled character. I mean, since it's so "OK" and all. So far, all I'm really seeing is the idea that a player would want to play themselves in the game, and therefore including wheelchairs is inclusive.

Is your defense only about "inclusiveness", or is there something in there about, you know, gaming?

OK. I'll split the hair.

Quote from: Omega;1145811But heres some more reasons.

1: Becoming disabled during gameplay. In D&D alone theres various things that can leave a character disabled. Especially if higher level healing magics are rare, or expensive, or both. The PC or player might want to soldier on and at least complete the quest on hand. Or be in a situation where they have no choice and must carry on as is.

This is legit. This kind of outcome should be part of the risk that the PCs face. But this is a legit case because it represents player agency in how they continue playing in response to in-game events. Retiring the PC is also a valid option.

Quote from: Omega;1145811This includes starting an adventurer right after such an accident and proceeding from there.

2: Because the player things it will be interesting. Or, from experience with this as a DM, challenging. Not everyone out there min/maxes and char-ops the game to death.

In the context of the original issue - "combat wheelchair" - this is snowflakism. There are fun alternatives discussed in this thread and it's parallel. But the blanket idea "it's OK to play a handicapped character", especially in today's cultural climate, is an invitation to "representation" and snowflakism, whether intended as such or not.

Quote from: Zalman;1145813I wonder how all the defenders of this concept would feel about an able person asking to play a disabled character. I mean, since it's so "OK" and all. So far, all I'm really seeing is the idea that a player would want to play themselves in the game, and therefore including wheelchairs is inclusive.

Is your defense only about "inclusiveness", or is there something in there about, you know, gaming?

That was a feature in my game. Its also a feature of some superhero RPGs like TSR's MSH.

Quote from: Omega;1145811Why are you stupid? I doubt you can answer that one though...

But sure. Lets play your little troll game because its actually beneficial to real posters. Not you.

Why? Havent we discussed that enough allready? Obviously you didnt read any of that so why the hell should I repeat myself?

But heres some more reasons.

1: Becoming disabled during gameplay. In D&D alone theres various things that can leave a character disabled. Especially if higher level healing magics are rare, or expensive, or both. The PC or player might want to soldier on and at least complete the quest on hand. Or be in a situation where they have no choice and must carry on as is. This includes starting an adventurer right after such an accident and proceeding from there.

2: Because the player things it will be interesting. Or, from experience with this as a DM, challenging. Not everyone out there min/maxes and char-ops the game to death.

Maybe someone wants to be a quadriplegic EMT... or Firefighter... or kill the dragon at 1st level.  It's a shame that they CAN'T.  Someone else will have to pick up the burden - either taking over the job, or carrying the dead weight of someone that's in a job they are no longer qualified for.  Yes, it sucks.

Quote from: Omega;1145805Have to agree here. Why is it wrong to maybe want to play a handicapped character?

Quote from: RandyB;1145807Why is it right to maybe want to play a handicapped character?

You're both right, but that's not what this thread is about. It's about some dumbass telling us that if you don't include fucking wheelchairs and disabled people in your elf game, you're a bigot and need to be scorned and avoided like the plague.

And it's a stupid ass idea. The whole thing is stupid. I honestly think this is just some munchkin bullshit that is being passed off as "inclusive" so the retard munchkin who came up with it can force it into D&D Adventurers League.

Quote from: LiferGamer;1145824Maybe someone wants to be a quadriplegic EMT... or Firefighter... or kill the dragon at 1st level.  It's a shame that they CAN'T.  Someone else will have to pick up the burden - either taking over the job, or carrying the dead weight of someone that's in a job they are no longer qualified for.  Yes, it sucks.

Forget quadraplegics. A while back there was a HUGE row because the fire department of New York (FDNY) was allowing women who had not passed the physical tests to go on to become full fledged firefighters. Never mind the equipment requirements, or the ability to carry someone from a burning building; we need more diversity and women in this job!

(What REALLY sucked was that there were women who had passed the physical and qualified. Those ladies had to be SEETHING over this idiocy.)

Quote from: Brad;1145831You're both right, but that's not what this thread is about. It's about some dumbass telling us that if you don't include fucking wheelchairs and disabled people in your elf game, you're a bigot and need to be scorned and avoided like the plague.

And it's a stupid ass idea. The whole thing is stupid. I honestly think this is just some munchkin bullshit that is being passed off as "inclusive" so the retard munchkin who came up with it can force it into D&D Adventurers League.

Brad hits the mark, spot on.

There are ways to do this but as I've been saying, this? Stinks of someone with a fetish. Kessler, call your office.

Quote from: Brad;1145831You're both right, but that's not what this thread is about. It's about some dumbass telling us that if you don't include fucking wheelchairs and disabled people in your elf game, you're a bigot and need to be scorned and avoided like the plague.

And it's a stupid ass idea. The whole thing is stupid. I honestly think this is just some munchkin bullshit that is being passed off as "inclusive" so the retard munchkin who came up with it can force it into D&D Adventurers League.

Yep.

The initial assertion/demand is "wheelchair in D&D". The intent is for everyone in real life who can claim and wear the hero/victim badge to have the  full spotlight in the game, to accomplish two goals - grab attention to themselves in real life, and to drive the rest of us out of a hobby that we dare to enjoy.