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Torchbearer: dungeon exploring and survival simulation

Started by silva, April 24, 2013, 07:54:04 PM

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casek

#165
April 27, 2013, 04:02:21 PM Last Edit: April 27, 2013, 04:09:25 PM by casek
Quote from: The Traveller;649850I was on the bus to Dublin a couple of weeks back, it's much cheaper than driving when you look at tolls and fuel costs etc, and there was this American guy sitting behind me chatting up one of his countrywomen. He said the word "like" on average once every 7 seconds for a solid half an hour. I know because I calculated it as a matter of scientific interest, using a stopwatch and the back of an envelope.

I read the above post in the voice of that man.

Anyway it feels like more of an atmosphere of mild ennui than any particular rage. Nobody really cares.

you got me down to a tee except for the part where i didn't say like at all, nor did i do anything to imply that i speak with the cadence of the aforementioned "american"

are you called the traveler because you take the bus a lot?

and just for funsies, if we're playing characters now, i'm imagining your post read aloud in a voice that fits the stereotypes often assigned to people who play the sort of games we both apparently enjoy.

calling it ennui is really, really downplaying it.  you've got 16 pages here.  i ask why and then a few of you were instantly defensive.  just goofing, right?

The Traveller

#166
April 27, 2013, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: casek;649852you got me down to a tee except for the part where i didn't say like at all
Never said you did.

Quote from: casek;649852nor did i do anything to imply that i speak with the cadence of the aforementioned "american"
American in this case is a state of mind, my friend.

Quote from: casek;649852are you called the traveler because you take the bus a lot?
Well that and it's one of the walking demons of a rambunctious group of Mongolian shamans, which caught my fancy.

Quote from: casek;649852you've got 16 pages i here.  i ask why and then a few of you were instantly defensive.  just goofing, right?
I can't speak for BV, but it looks like sixteen pages of mild ennui to be honest. Hoping for some dramatic responses to obvious internet flamebait to spice up the weekend but generally meh. Benoist's thread on EP mashed up with CP2020 is much more entertaining, you should pitch in! That shit is fucking awesome.
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J Arcane

#167
April 27, 2013, 04:16:41 PM
Quote from: casek;649838hey guys, you could, you know just... not play the game ever maybe.  i mean, if it's that painful and all that.  i mean do you guys carry around a blacklist of shit you're not supposed to play because it doesn't meet a set of ridiculous non-criteria?

Nope.

I just don't play shit I don't like, and respond to insulting drivel in kind.

This is insulting drivel.  As is your post.

Therefore, I mock both accordingly, and fart in your general direction.
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#169
April 27, 2013, 04:50:06 PM
Quote from: casek;649838hey guys, you could, you know just... not play the game ever maybe.  i mean, if it's that painful and all that.  i mean do you guys carry around a blacklist of shit you're not supposed to play because it doesn't meet a set of ridiculous non-criteria?

Some of us want to play it, others do not.  Don't pigeon hole the entire board because you're looking for drama.

Rincewind1

#170
April 27, 2013, 06:21:08 PM Last Edit: April 27, 2013, 06:24:34 PM by Rincewind1
Quote from: The Traveller;649856mild ennui

Speak for yourself. For me ridiculing stuff and taking cheap potshots at things I don't like is pretty damn serious. After all:



I'd also love to hear what are the valid "criteria", if we're judging the game by the "non - criteria".

Quote from: Benoist;649859"I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!"

Double irony :D.
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Piestrio

#171
April 27, 2013, 06:27:04 PM
Quote from: Mistwell;649860Some of us want to play it, others do not.  Don't pigeon hole the entire board because you're looking for drama.

But...but...but therpgsite is EVILbadWRONG!!111!
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The Traveller

#172
April 27, 2013, 06:28:23 PM
Quote from: Rincewind1;649887Speak for yourself. For me ridiculing stuff and taking cheap potshots at things I don't like is pretty damn serious.
Quite right, let's not be taking the piss. This is my war face:

"These children are playing with dark and dangerous powers!"
"What else are you meant to do with dark and dangerous powers?"
A concise overview of GNS theory.
Quote from: that muppet vince baker on RPGsIf you care about character arcs or any, any, any lit 101 stuff, I\'d choose a different game.

Rincewind1

#173
April 27, 2013, 06:30:26 PM Last Edit: April 27, 2013, 06:37:57 PM by Rincewind1
Toughest chin in Hollywood. You pass.

Rest of you:



Quote from: Piestrio;649888But...but...but therpgsite is EVILbadWRONG!!111!

We are?

[claydavis]Shieeeeeeet.[/claydavis]

Also I forgot to say that the first brave warriors are storming the walls of RPGsite, to drive the infidels away and to gain riches and forgiveness in the eyes of Storygaming, as promised by Pope Grus the First.
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Black Vulmea

#174
April 27, 2013, 06:44:15 PM
Quote from: casek;649848i just don't get the outcry, it makes no sense. . . . get mad about something else?
There is no outcry. No one is mad.

Watching Luke Crane, that Sage guy, and the other guy re-invent D&D for gamers who for years professed their hate for D&D makes us point and laugh at the silliness and sycophancy of it all.

If you don't see the humor in it, hey, no problem. If you think we shouldn't see the humor in it, fuck you.
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One Horse Town

#175
April 27, 2013, 07:03:00 PM
Quote from: The Traveller;649890Quite right, let's not be taking the piss. This is my war face:


Groovy.

Eisenmann

#176
April 27, 2013, 07:23:18 PM
My war face is right over there, pilgrim.

Spinachcat

#177
April 27, 2013, 09:50:34 PM
This "fight" doesn't deserve more than War Crotch.

Gotta save War Face for important shit.

silva

#178
April 27, 2013, 10:32:29 PM
Quote from: Black Vulmea;649892There is no outcry. No one is mad.

Watching Luke Crane, that Sage guy, and the other guy re-invent D&D for gamers who for years professed their hate for D&D makes us point and laugh at the silliness and sycophancy of it all.

If you don't see the humor in it, hey, no problem. If you think we shouldn't see the humor in it, fuck you.
As one of those that always professed my hate for D&D and now finding this "re-invention" interesting (as was the Dungeon World one), I must ask:

So wat? Whats the problem with that?

What always bothered me in D&D wasnt its premise, but its execution. Thus, a game that preserves the premise but with a different execution sounds cool to me. Its the same case as Shadowrun really - a lot of people say its execution is an unecessarily complex one, that dont promote its themes at all, and would like to see a total reboot.

So why is Shadowrun (or any other game really) passive of re-invention, but D&D not ? Why the outcry when the criticism is on D&D ?

Rincewind1

#179
April 27, 2013, 10:37:43 PM Last Edit: April 27, 2013, 10:40:22 PM by Rincewind1
Quote from: silva;649923As one of those that always professed my hate for D&D and now finding this "re-invention" interesting (as was the Dungeon World one), I must ask:

So wat? Whats the problem with that?

What always bothered me in D&D wasnt its premise, but its execution. Thus, a game that preserves the premise but with a different execution sounds cool to me. Its the same case as Shadowrun really - a lot of people say its execution is an unecessarily complex one, that dont promote its themes at all, and would like to see a total reboot.

So why is Shadowrun (or any other game really) passive of re-invention, but D&D not ? Why the outcry when the criticism is on D&D ?

I, and I assume for the most, we, laughed when it was done to Warhammer. And I'd laugh when it'd be done to Shadowrun, though I agree it's execution is byzantine.

Edit: Also this

Quote from: CRKrueger;649926In this case, the game isn't trying to re-do the premise with a better execution, it's sneeringly laughing at the premise itself.
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