Quote from: One Horse Town;649459:rant:

Odd reaction seeing as haven't you written for a supplement that was a campaign taking place mostly in a ditch full of goo? That is, sewers?

Quote from: Eisenmann;649481Shhh. You must hat teh story gamez.

I play storygames. I dislike the notion they are an RPG, however, as that brings a problem of mixed expectations at the table. I know of at least 1 player who, have been "raised" on storygames, now expects same thing from every single other RPG. Henceforth I believe in importance of the distinction.

But hey, tell yourselves what you need to believe the Big Bad Taliban at RPGsite preach.

Quote from: Imperator;649457I believe you are overthinking this too much.

Look, it's more a cult of personality thing. Many hardcore indie people will play anything as long as the proper persons allow them to do so. See, AW (which is a fucking traditional game as hell), DW, and so on.

So now Crane gets out a game on dungeoncrawling focused on obsessive minutia about encumbrance, and encumbrance is cool now because the right person says so.

Nothing more.

Pretty much.

It's the same reason Exalted existed.  Powergaming was badwrong in the WW days, but along comes Exalted and it's A-OK all of a sudden to do all that badwrongfun stuff we weren't supposed to be doing with oWoD, but it's OK because it's a "storytelling game."

Quote from: Rincewind1;649494I play storygames. I dislike the notion they are an RPG, however, as that brings a problem of mixed expectations at the table. I know of at least 1 player who, have been "raised" on storygames, now expects same thing from every single other RPG. Henceforth I believe in importance of the distinction.

Ditto. I don't play any story game at the moment, but I could conceivably do so and enjoy it as long as I was aware of what the game is from the start and felt like playing such a game when I'd get the invite. It's indeed a problem of expectations and cross-pollination in game design. The distinction is useful to know what's what to not act like an oblivious fuckwit as GM assuming everything's the same and therefore running games that will clash with some players' expectations, nor wreck traditional role playing games as a designer by changing them into story games because "it's all the same". Well. No. It's not.

Quote from: Rincewind1;649494I play storygames. I dislike the notion they are an RPG, however, as that brings a problem of mixed expectations at the table. I know of at least 1 player who, have been "raised" on storygames, now expects same thing from every single other RPG. Henceforth I believe in importance of the distinction.

But hey, tell yourselves what you need to believe the Big Bad Taliban at RPGsite preach.

Whatever dude.

Quote from: Eisenmann;649502Whatever dude.

I see that unlike the other Jehova Witness of Forge, you lack even the most basic of wit.

Quote from: estar;649458It not schizophrenic to have a critical opinion as long as it based on careful consideration. And like I said in my previous post that it is possible that they could design something new and novel.

For example I wasn't sold on the DCC RPG by Goodman Games. It seemed to me something better handled by a supplement to D&D. That it would take a lot of work (both design and promotion) to make it a success. And you know what?! the Goodman Team did put in the work and had a successful product. Which may well be the case for Torchbearer.

Sure thing Rob, but there are some things that sound to me more like stereotyping than critical analysis, as the murder hobos cliché, which is the retardest IMO.

I think that they may do a good job. I have nothing against the design: I was talking more about the reaction on indie gamers, specially after some threads of concern-trolling on how D&D is evil because murder hobos.

Quote from: Rincewind1;649494Odd reaction seeing as haven't you written for a supplement that was a campaign taking place mostly in a ditch full of goo? That is, sewers?

Hey, my chapter had folks tackling a cult made up of people called Karl, and taking to the stage pretending to be pigs! Can't get more glamorous than that.

Quote from: One Horse Town;649506Hey, my chapter had folks tackling a cult made up of people called Karl, and taking to the stage pretending to be pigs! Can't get more glamorous than that.

It's a Man's Life in the Imperial Sewerjack Association.

Quote from: Rincewind1;649504I see that unlike the other Jehova Witness of Forge, you lack even the most basic of wit.

Badum-tshh.

Quote from: Rincewind1;649504I see that unlike the other Jehova Witness of Forge, you lack even the most basic of wit.

I see that you don't know about the search function here.

Luke Crane on twitter: "Finally! The RPG Site wipes its greasy, cheato-stained fingers on the latest news about #Torchbearer. http://t.co/Gvx01KcFiK"

Link to post and comments: https://twitter.com/Burning_Luke/status/327458856684883968

Hi guys!

Quote from: Luke Cranegreasy, cheato-stained fingers

Such razor quip, we are undone!

We've got cheeto stains and murderhobos, let's see if he goes for basements and neckbeards next. After all, real roleplayers drinks Pabst, wear flannels and listen to the Wombats as they game

I'll meet you guys later, I need to go to the grocery. I really don't like cheetos or potato crisps, but noblesse oblige.

Edit: Truth be told, if I am to wipe anything with D&D hipster edition, I'm certain that it'd be not fingers for me.

Quote from: Benoist;649529Luke Crane on twitter: "Finally! The RPG Site wipes its greasy, cheato-stained fingers on the latest news about #Torchbearer. http://t.co/Gvx01KcFiK"

Link to post and comments: https://twitter.com/Burning_Luke/status/327458856684883968

Hi guys!

We had about 70 guests over here yesterday viewing this thread. I wondered where all the new guests were coming from.

I expect his highly-manicured, nail-varnished fingers are very excited!

Quote from: Benoist;649529Luke Crane on twitter: "Finally! The RPG Site wipes its greasy, cheato-stained fingers on the latest news about #Torchbearer. http://t.co/Gvx01KcFiK"

Link to post and comments: https://twitter.com/Burning_Luke/status/327458856684883968

The whole affair is blatantly trying to ride on D&D's coat tails (Ds and Ds was ixnayed as a name for this opus because of legal concerns) while also attempting to capitalise on the success of Dungeon World, since he's apparently unable to come up with a compelling setting or game by himself, and this place is a major D&D bastion, so I'd have expected a more stirring insult, even given the limitations of twitter. That's the point of such pot shots.

Plus that's a pop at nerdy stereotypes in general, so he's basically alienated a lot of his potential customers in one stroke. Not only lacking in the creativity/originality department and weak at witty repartee, but none too smart on top of all that. I've never heard of this guy previously and don't expect to hear much about him in future, but this particular knock kneed run for the sun is going to be entertaining to watch.

*munches cheetos*