No.
This is a game that has some role-play in it, just like a Murder Mystery game would. It is not, however, an RPG in the sense of what we play in this hobby.

As such, I'm moving this thread over to "other games".

RPGPundit

Emphasis mine:

Quote from: RPGPundit;326690This is a game that has some role-play in it, just like a Murder Mystery game would. It is not, however, an RPG in the sense of what we play in this hobby.

What, specifically, is the difference, as you see it?

Quote from: David R;326688This is just warm up for WFRP 3E discussion threads.

God, I hope not.

So far, WFRP 3E looks more like "gimmicky as hell", rather than a topic for "Is this an RPG" debate.

And trust me, I know gimmicky.  I've built a few games like that.

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;326671*Shrug*

I said earlier:

So what's the real point of this then?  We both know what we're talking about, why pretend we don't?  

QuoteI had this same thread on RPGnet.  Was I trying to make them look bad, too?

I wouldn't be surprised if some of them got annoyed either, or thought they were being made to play the fool.  I don't read there anymore, I wouldn't know.

QuoteFuck online-gamer-politics.  

Then don't play them.  You're sure doing a good job of playing politics in this thread though.  

QuoteI want what's in your goddamn head.  I want you to tell me how you sort what you do from the other stuff, because that tells me where you think the good stuff is.

You don't like this angle of approach for that?  Great; don't.  I'll have a different one next week.

You want a simple test?  Take that game, go down to your average FLGS or games convention, round up a bunch of regular gamers, and then try to run it for them whilst telling them it's an RPG.  See how many roadblocks you run into as you explain where this and that diverges from the standard experience.

It'd fall flat on it's ass.  Advertise it as just some card game or party game like, you know, what it actually is, and I'd bet you the expectation barrier won't hit you at all.

Quote from: J Arcane;326697You want a simple test?  Take that game, go down to your average FLGS or games convention, round up a bunch of regular gamers, and then try to run it for them whilst telling them it's an RPG.  See how many roadblocks you run into as you explain where this and that diverges from the standard experience.

That would have no point to it at all.

The point is to figure out which differences matter.

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;326691What, specifically, is the difference, as you see it?

This is one of those funny games that really fucks up the whole rpg defintion thing. It obviously takes many elements from what many here would consider trad gaming and then mashes it into something different but vaguely familiar. I mean you're not really playing a "role". I causally take this to mean some sort of independent character building - personality etc - on "alter ego" vibe on the part of the player. *shrug* I'm not describing this very well. All this is heading into like porn I'll recognize it when I see it terrain. Interesting but not very productive.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;326698That would have no point to it at all.

The point is to figure out which differences matter.

You don't think how the game would actually be taken in real life has any bearing on it's categorization?

This conversation really IS pointless, then.

Quote from: David R;326699This is one of those funny games that really fucks up the whole rpg defintion thing. It obviously takes many elements from what many here would consider trad gaming and then mashes it into something different but vaguely familiar.

Sure. That's why I thought it would be awesome to use for this.

I mean, I know why many people here don't think of story-games as RPGs.  And I learned quite a bit about what they want from an RPG in those discussions.

I also know why many people don't think of serious "adventure games" as RPGs.  Learned a fair bit there, too.

And I'm learning stuff here, too.  Most of it hits this tone:

Quote from: David R;326699I mean you're not really playing a "role". I causally take this to mean some sort of independent character building - personality etc - on "alter ego" vibe on the part of the player.

The idea that there's a "minimum depth" to a character before they matter seems almost universal.

Quote from: J Arcane;326702You don't think how the game would actually be taken in real life has any bearing on it's categorization?

This conversation really IS pointless, then.

*Headdesk*

The point is, we all know what 'goes with what'.

The question is "Why?  Where's the boundary on this side?"

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;326706*Headdesk*

The point is, we all know what 'goes with what'.

The question is "Why?  Where's the boundary on this side?"

Because without those things it isn't the same fun, and thus, not the same thing?

This isn't hard to puzzle out here.  If someone wants to play a racing game, and I give them a first person shooter that happens to have a vehicle section, we don't look upon them in bafflement when they're dissatisfied with the experience because they're both fun, it's pretty obvious they'd be unsatisfied because it isn't what they asked for.  

We know it isn't what they want, they know it isn't what the want, so where's the mystery?

Why Mr.Levi, are you flirting with me?

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;326704The idea that there's a "minimum depth" to a character before they matter seems almost universal.

Universal to whom. People who play rpgs or people who have played a game where you play a role ?

Edit: Because IME there is no interest in "character" in the latter.

Regards,
David R

Arcane:

I think I've got at least a loose idea of the big thing here.

Check the RPG board in a couple minutes; you'll see what I got from this.

Quote from: David R;326708Why Mr.Levi, are you flirting with me?

Baby, when I flirt with you, you won't need to ask.

Quote from: David R;326708Universal to whom. People who play rpgs or people who have played a game where you play a role ?

Edit: Because IME there is no interest in "character" in the latter.

Regards,
David R

Check the RPG board.  Shiny new thread.

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;326691Emphasis mine:



What, specifically, is the difference, as you see it?

It is a game, with roleplaying elements. That doesn't make it an RPG in our sense. There are plenty of differences: the characters, the setting, emulation, immersion, etc.

RPGPundit

By the way, please don't see me moving this thread as a "punishment". I'm glad you're posting here again, Levi. I'm just trying to keep the forums in their appropriate context, particularly given that recent posters (and posts) have been blurring these lines, sometimes intentionally. I don't want the main RPG forum turned into a free-for-all where non-RPG material gets thrown in there willy-nilly.

RPGPundit