Quote from: MarionPoliquin;326642I don't see where you asked this question before in this thread. Sorry, if I missed it.

"Play RPGs as something else" I'm sorry, you've really lost me with this. I have no idea where you're going. I'll need a little more transparency on your part.

I asked Jeff about this one, earlier:

We're at a con.  I run "deathmatch D&D".   RPG?  No?

Quote from: Jason Morningstar;326645By the way, this is a fun conversation.

I totally agree.

Also:

Yes, it does look awesome.  I have it right next to me, and I wanna play!

I guess mileages vary immensely when you consider fringe examples of game design as to what, exactly, makes a given game a "role-playing game".

In my opinion, RPGs are games where you play a role. Which means to me that it is a form of entertainment first and foremost (not a job, not a manifesto, etc), and you assume the role of an alter-ego in a world of make-believe. That's where, IMO, notions of freedom of options, character choices and goals, do matter. It's part of the immersive nature of RPGs, and matters in terms of verisimilitude, believability of the game world.

Ultimately, I think that, in my case, as far as role-playing games are concerned, I know them when I see them. Pathfinder RPG is a role-playing game. World of Darkness is a role-playing game. D&D 4e is a role-playing game. Aye, Dark Overlord, doesn't sound like a role-playing game to me.

Quote from: Koltar;326627Levi must have lost a bet with someone - so he had to start this thread.


- Ed C.

That's probably closer to the truth than you realise.

Quote from: One Horse Town;326652That's probably closer to the truth than you realise.

:huhsign:

Come on, man, if you're gonna come at me, don't play coy.

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;326654:huhsign:

Come on, man, if you're gonna come at me, don't play coy.

This is theory navel-gazing dressed up in fancy clothes. Just look at Morningstar creaming his pants.

Why shouldn't it be in other games?

Quote from: Benoist;326649I guess mileages vary immensely ... I know them when I see them.

Yeah, I agree.

There are a whole heap of people who don't, though, at least around here.  Plenty of blanket statements about this game or that, written with the voice of final authority.  Usually in all caps.

Quote from: One Horse Town;326655This is theory navel-gazing dressed up in fancy clothes. Just look at Morningstar creaming his pants.

Why shouldn't it be in other games?

Because it's exactly the kind of navel-gazing that many of the posters engage in here, just taken to it's logical extent?

It's about a discussion about GAMES where you PLAY a ROLE, man.  

Which is oft-stated axiomatically around here, and I want to take a poke at the axiom, and see what gets turned up.

Quote from: Jason Morningstar;326645"A certain degree" ... how much?  Who decides?  (I know, the Dark Overlord) Do you know it when you see it?

By the way, this is a fun conversation.

Of course it is.  This kind of doubt-casting exercise is textbook for you guys at this point.

Quote from: J Arcane;326658Of course it is.  This kind of doubt-casting exercise is textbook for you guys at this point.

I'm being all included as being "On a side".  Man, that gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling.

So, hey, I've got some mud, too!

Certainty is for children and the hidebound.  Grownups are those who can accept ambiguity and doubt.

Gosh.  Being partisan and petty is fun!

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;326663Gosh.  Being partisan and petty is fun!

Fun has nothing to do with it. It's soothing.

Quote from: One Horse Town;326655This is theory navel-gazing dressed up in fancy clothes. Just look at Morningstar creaming his pants.

Why shouldn't it be in other games?

Jesus fuck, Dan.

!i!

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;326663I'm being all included as being "On a side".  Man, that gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling.

So, hey, I've got some mud, too!

Certainty is for children and the hidebound.  Grownups are those who can accept ambiguity and doubt.

Gosh.  Being partisan and petty is fun!

Dude, you know I've always respected you, but when you play this faux-naive act it gets really tiring.  You and I both know why the OP is deliberately wrong, the only purpose of semantic games is try and make the userbase look bad by casting doubt on an obvious conclusion.  

You're better than this, I know you are, and it's disappointing seeing you stoop to these shenanigans.

Quote from: J Arcane;326669Dude, you know I've always respected you, but when you play this faux-naive act it gets really tiring.  You and I both know why the OP is deliberately wrong, the only purpose of semantic games is try and make the userbase look bad by casting doubt on an obvious conclusion.  

You're better than this, I know you are, and it's disappointing seeing you stoop to these shenanigans.

*Shrug*

I said earlier:

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;326629I understand the difference between the kinds of game being discussed.  And it IS a substantial and significant difference.

There's a huge distinction to be made here.  

But I'm not sure why that distinction should be "We call this one an RPG, but not this one".

I had this same thread on RPGnet.  Was I trying to make them look bad, too?

Fuck online-gamer-politics.  

I want what's in your goddamn head.  I want you to tell me how you sort what you do from the other stuff, because that tells me where you think the good stuff is.

You don't like this angle of approach for that?  Great; don't.  I'll have a different one next week.

Quote from: One Horse Town;326655This is theory navel-gazing dressed up in fancy clothes. Just look at Morningstar creaming his pants.

Why shouldn't it be in other games?

This is just warm up for WFRP 3E discussion threads. You should be thanking Levi.

Regards,
David R