The game bridge could have all the cards in a deck replaced with eg: ships for Ace,Plains for Kings, Tanks for queens, artilary for Jacks - then the rest could be made of weapons types OR soldiers etc.. the suits could be 2 sides allies and 2 sides axis, each winning trick could be a kill.
bidding could be 'German assault 1' instead of 1 spades.
or 'American assault 2' instead of '2 hearts' etc...
each player in the game would have all 4 sides in there hand, just like spades clubs hearts and diamonds, you can think of your 2 sides being axis against the 2 allies, every trick you win could be thought of as an attack on the enemy or a defence from them, so if you are allies and you win an axis trick that would be a defence won.
I think this could be a really good wargame.
So the rules are the same but the terms are different? I have a couple of questions. How does changing the Bridge terminology to military sounding terminology make it a wargame? Why would people play this game instead of just playing regular Bridge like they have been doing for ages?
This wouldn't be a warfame. A wargame simulates combat on a certain level (tactical, operational, strategic, whatever) and with a certain degree of detail (trying to find a balance between accuracy of simulation and ease and fun of play). In other words, the rules of the wargame attempt to create realistic results; i.e., if a certain situation would likely end in a certain outcome in real life, than the same situation should also likely end in the same outcome in a wargame.
What you're proposing here has absolutely nothing to do with this. All you're doing is taking a game that has nothing to do with the simulation of combat and just changing the names and pictures on the playing pieces. This isn't a wargame any more than a Monopoly or Hungry Hungry Hippo board with warlike graphics, or a game of Hopscotch where you shout "Boom Boom I'm a Spitfire" at every jump.
Never call a rabbit a smeerp.
Quote from: yosemitemike;922929Why would people play this game instead of just playing regular Bridge like they have been doing for ages?
In all fairness, there's a non-trivial number of board/card games out there that are just classic card games with a custom deck. I'd play this variant. I agree it's not a wargame in any sense of the term, though.
This is a good idea. You should kickstarter it after getting an artist on board.
The game bridge is a classic, but its fallen off the radar. THIS could use the mechanics for something new.
Go forth and kick ass!
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/259/atlantic-storm
here is one based on bridge
and a wargame does have bridges :)
Different cart art or card names with no rule changes does not make a game into a different game. Doesn't stop annoying card companies from selling "The Dukes of Hazzard Card Game" or "The Star Trek Card Game" even though that's all they are. I find such things pretty lazy and annoying, especially because it leads to nonsense in the context it's supposed to be about.
6+2 HD, AC 4, rubbery green skin, regenerates 3 points per turn.
Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;9230856+2 HD, AC 4, rubbery green skin, regenerates 3 points per turn.
That would be pinochle, not bridge. :p
Isn't that really the Eurogame boardgame model though? Take a thematic element and use it to paint over gaming mechanics that don't represent or simulate anything about the actual source material, except in the most abstract way possible?
Quote from: CRKrueger;923145Isn't that really the Eurogame boardgame model though? Take a thematic element and use it to paint over gaming mechanics that don't represent or simulate anything about the actual source material, except in the most abstract way possible?
You mean like 99% of all gaming? Sure thing bub.
Quote from: daniel_ream;923005In all fairness, there's a non-trivial number of board/card games out there that are just classic card games with a custom deck.
I would ask the same question about any one of those as well. Why should I buy your game instead of just playing the public domain game that has been around for ages? What do you bring to the table? Uno is a variation of Crazy Eights but it makes significant changes to play along with the custom deck. It brings something to the table other than just a change of terms and graphics.
Quote from: CRKrueger;923145Isn't that really the Eurogame boardgame model though? Take a thematic element and use it to paint over gaming mechanics that don't represent or simulate anything about the actual source material, except in the most abstract way possible?
Well I DO avoid almost all Eurogames, and/or games that say they are about something, but play almost nothing like it.
However, the "put other names/art on a card deck" is at least one whole layer of nonsense beyond that (though I admit my aversion to Eurogames limits my knowledge). I also don't like Bridge much, which also limits my knowledge and prevents me from making a perfect example, but say it's Poker - my hand is an American Infantry Attack and two Polish Cavalry, a German U-Boat and a Russian T34 Company? WTF does that even mean? Nothing - it doesn't even have the sides separated, or the relevant land/sea/air branch - the only "WW2-ness" of it is as random and meaningless as possible.
Quote from: Sommerjon;923157You mean like 99% of all gaming? Sure thing bub.
Yes, that IS my button. NO. Or if it, I am the 1%, and I hate 99% of gaming, which isn't accurate. Or, it's a about as accurate and useful a quip as the stupid crappy games that don't even try.
Quote from: yosemitemike;923186I would ask the same question about any one of those as well. Why should I buy your game instead of just playing the public domain game that has been around for ages? What do you bring to the table? Uno is a variation of Crazy Eights but it makes significant changes to play along with the custom deck. It brings something to the table other than just a change of terms and graphics.
And IIRC, the "Star Trek Card Game" is UNO with one or two added rules which are just OMGno rules like instead of being the first player to announce "UNO" first, it's something like the first player to say "Beam me up, Scotty" first...
Uhhhgh...
Quote from: yosemitemike;923186I would ask the same question about any one of those as well. Why should I buy your game instead of just playing the public domain game that has been around for ages?
Probably the same reason people spend a lot of money on miniatures instead of using paper chits or pawns. Cosmetics matter.
Quote from: Skarg;923229Or, it's a about as accurate and useful a quip as the stupid crappy games that don't even try.
Have you ever read a Sommerjon post?
Quote from: daniel_ream;923268Probably the same reason people spend a lot of money on miniatures instead of using paper chits or pawns. Cosmetics matter.
Are they spending money on professionally painted miniatures by award-winning painters for $20-$100 a pop? Not many.
With minis,
you get to paint them. There's a whole 'nother arts and crafts side to minis aside from how they look at the table.
I'm on a number of Facebook RPG Buy Sell and Trade groups, and by far the items that generate the most traffic are lots of prepainted plastic miniatures.
For a lot of people, cosmetics matter.
FFG has publicly said this informs their design choices.
Quote from: CRKrueger;923438Have you ever read a Sommerjon post?
Yeah, he's the fellow who's smart but has fascinatingly near-opposite tastes to mine (especially in terms of action film continuity/realism/logic). :)
Quote from: daniel_ream;923268Probably the same reason people spend a lot of money on miniatures instead of using paper chits or pawns. Cosmetics matter.
Er, but the miniatures gamers I'm familiar with tend to choose game rules which, while often abstract, are very representational of their subject matter. Quite the opposite of "hey cool let's randomly mix Allied & Axis units on both sides and resolve the action with arbitrary card game mechanics". They're more like "I'm sorry I am going to have to substitute my 8th Hussars minis for the 3rd Hussars, even though I know their uniforms aren't quite right" and are trying to re-experience actual historical battle conditions, choices and outcomes.
Quote from: daniel_ream;923447I'm on a number of Facebook RPG Buy Sell and Trade groups, and by far the items that generate the most traffic are lots of prepainted plastic miniatures.
For a lot of people, cosmetics matter.
FFG has publicly said this informs their design choices.
Oh well, a corp spoke, so I guess that's it then. :rolleyes:
Yeah, FFG makes X-Wings that look good instead of X-Wings that look like total shit, because people don't buy things that look like total shit...was that supposed to be your "point"?
I know 40k guys who buy painted armies because you get a complete painted and assembled army for less than the cost of the minis in the box, then they repaint them, or sell them piecemeal and flip them for a profit. 40k, at least in CA, brings in a lot of girls and women into the game stores, a lot of them because of the modeling and painting aspect.
Your deduction isn't wrong, just woefully incomplete.
Quote from: daniel_ream;923447For a lot of people, cosmetics matter.
Cosmetics alone did not sell X-Wing. It also has a tie-in with a popular franchise and is a clever, well written game in its own right. It's an original game, not a re-skinning of a game that has been in the public domain for ages.
Most people don't buy games with expensive miniatures either. They play games like Ticket to Ride, Carcassone or Settlers of Catan that have simple components.
Quote from: CRKrueger;923554Yeah, FFG makes X-Wings that look good instead of X-Wings that look like total shit, because people don't buy things that look like total shit...was that supposed to be your "point"?
Quote from: yosemitemike;923570Cosmetics alone did not sell X-Wing. It also has a tie-in with a popular franchise and is a clever, well written game in its own right. It's an original game, not a re-skinning of a game that has been in the public domain for ages.
By all means, continue to make up shit to argue against rather than address my actual points.
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Quote from: daniel_ream;923575By all means, continue to make up shit to argue against rather than address my actual points.
It would help if you made some actual points.
Quote from: daniel_ream;923447I'm on a number of Facebook RPG Buy Sell and Trade groups, and by far the items that generate the most traffic are lots of prepainted plastic miniatures.
Links please.
Or um..of course in RPG groups prepainted plastic miniatures sell well. duh.
Quote from: daniel_ream;923447For a lot of people, cosmetics matter.
And prepainted plastic miniatures have a history of bad cosmetics, yet they are still bought because they are prepainted.
Quote from: daniel_ream;923447FFG has publicly said this informs their design choices.
So?