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The game bridge could be modified as a wargame

Started by gameleaper, October 02, 2016, 01:56:43 AM

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daniel_ream

#15
October 04, 2016, 02:31:18 PM
Quote from: yosemitemike;923186I would ask the same question about any one of those as well.  Why should I buy your game instead of just playing the public domain game that has been around for ages?

Probably the same reason people spend a lot of money on miniatures instead of using paper chits or pawns.  Cosmetics matter.
D&D is becoming Self-Referential.  It is no longer Setting Referential, where it takes references outside of itself. It is becoming like Ouroboros in its self-gleaning for tropes, no longer attached, let alone needing outside context.
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crkrueger

#16
October 05, 2016, 09:41:56 AM
Quote from: Skarg;923229Or, it's a about as accurate and useful a quip as the stupid crappy games that don't even try.
Have you ever read a Sommerjon post?
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

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crkrueger

#17
October 05, 2016, 09:44:27 AM
Quote from: daniel_ream;923268Probably the same reason people spend a lot of money on miniatures instead of using paper chits or pawns.  Cosmetics matter.

Are they spending money on professionally painted miniatures by award-winning painters for $20-$100 a pop?  Not many.
With minis, you get to paint them.  There's a whole 'nother arts and crafts side to minis aside from how they look at the table.
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans

daniel_ream

#18
October 05, 2016, 10:18:21 AM
I'm on a number of Facebook RPG Buy Sell and Trade groups, and by far the items that generate the most traffic are lots of prepainted plastic miniatures.

For a lot of people, cosmetics matter.

FFG has publicly said this informs their design choices.
D&D is becoming Self-Referential.  It is no longer Setting Referential, where it takes references outside of itself. It is becoming like Ouroboros in its self-gleaning for tropes, no longer attached, let alone needing outside context.
~ Opaopajr

Skarg

#19
October 05, 2016, 12:08:18 PM
Quote from: CRKrueger;923438Have you ever read a Sommerjon post?
Yeah, he's the fellow who's smart but has fascinatingly near-opposite tastes to mine (especially in terms of action film continuity/realism/logic). :)

Skarg

#20
October 05, 2016, 12:13:19 PM
Quote from: daniel_ream;923268Probably the same reason people spend a lot of money on miniatures instead of using paper chits or pawns.  Cosmetics matter.
Er, but the miniatures gamers I'm familiar with tend to choose game rules which, while often abstract, are very representational of their subject matter. Quite the opposite of "hey cool let's randomly mix Allied & Axis units on both sides and resolve the action with arbitrary card game mechanics". They're more like "I'm sorry I am going to have to substitute my 8th Hussars minis for the 3rd Hussars, even though I know their uniforms aren't quite right" and are trying to re-experience actual historical battle conditions, choices and outcomes.

crkrueger

#21
October 05, 2016, 08:15:36 PM
Quote from: daniel_ream;923447I'm on a number of Facebook RPG Buy Sell and Trade groups, and by far the items that generate the most traffic are lots of prepainted plastic miniatures.

For a lot of people, cosmetics matter.

FFG has publicly said this informs their design choices.
Oh well, a corp spoke, so I guess that's it then. :rolleyes:  
Yeah, FFG makes X-Wings that look good instead of X-Wings that look like total shit, because people don't buy things that look like total shit...was that supposed to be your "point"?
I know 40k guys who buy painted armies because you get a complete painted and assembled army for less than the cost of the minis in the box, then they repaint them, or sell them piecemeal and flip them for a profit.  40k, at least in CA, brings in a lot of girls and women into the game stores, a lot of them because of the modeling and painting aspect.

Your deduction isn't wrong, just woefully incomplete.
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans

yosemitemike

#22
October 05, 2016, 10:08:13 PM
Quote from: daniel_ream;923447For a lot of people, cosmetics matter.

Cosmetics alone did not sell X-Wing.  It also has a tie-in with a popular franchise and is a clever, well written game in its own right.  It's an original game, not a re-skinning of a game that has been in the public domain for ages.

 Most people don't buy games with expensive miniatures either.  They play games like Ticket to Ride, Carcassone or Settlers of Catan that have simple components.
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daniel_ream

#23
October 05, 2016, 10:32:05 PM
Quote from: CRKrueger;923554Yeah, FFG makes X-Wings that look good instead of X-Wings that look like total shit, because people don't buy things that look like total shit...was that supposed to be your "point"?

Quote from: yosemitemike;923570Cosmetics alone did not sell X-Wing.  It also has a tie-in with a popular franchise and is a clever, well written game in its own right.  It's an original game, not a re-skinning of a game that has been in the public domain for ages.

By all means, continue to make up shit to argue against rather than address my actual points.

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D&D is becoming Self-Referential.  It is no longer Setting Referential, where it takes references outside of itself. It is becoming like Ouroboros in its self-gleaning for tropes, no longer attached, let alone needing outside context.
~ Opaopajr

yosemitemike

#24
October 05, 2016, 11:20:33 PM
Quote from: daniel_ream;923575By all means, continue to make up shit to argue against rather than address my actual points.

It would help if you made some actual points.
"I am certain, however, that nothing has done so much to destroy the juridical safeguards of individual freedom as the striving after this mirage of social justice."― Friedrich Hayek
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Sommerjon

#25
October 06, 2016, 12:06:27 PM
Quote from: daniel_ream;923447I'm on a number of Facebook RPG Buy Sell and Trade groups, and by far the items that generate the most traffic are lots of prepainted plastic miniatures.
Links please.
Or um..of course in RPG groups prepainted plastic miniatures sell well.  duh.


Quote from: daniel_ream;923447For a lot of people, cosmetics matter.
And prepainted plastic miniatures have a history of bad cosmetics, yet they are still bought because they are prepainted.

Quote from: daniel_ream;923447FFG has publicly said this informs their design choices.
So?
Quote from: One Horse TownFrankly, who gives a fuck. :idunno:

Quote from: Exploderwizard;789217Being offered only a single loot poor option for adventure is a railroad
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