Pathfinder MMO

lahasha · June 02, 2012, 06:26:28 PM

I don't work for them, I'm just a lowly goblin shamelessly plugging away for something that will be awesome. I know someone else out there will think so too. Go look, you know you wanna..

Skywalker · June 02, 2012, 07:38:34 PM

It's worth warning that this Kickstarter is for the Technology Demo and not the MMO, which may be years away and may not even get made. You need to pledge $1,000 to even get a chance to play the Technology Demo. They received the money the "needed" for the demo a long time back at the $50K mark by their own admission and any additional funds are now being applied to unspecified business expenses.

Effectively, Goblin Works wants to be able to go to its investors and say "Look, we have X thousand PF fans who are prepared to give us money for nothing. Think what they will pay to play an MMO."

DominikSchwager · June 02, 2012, 07:51:40 PM

I find 2.300 backers in the most oversturated part of the MMORPG market to be less than impressive. If this gets made it will be free to play and the same as most other fantasy mmorpgs, i.e. not worth playing.

Skywalker · June 02, 2012, 07:57:29 PM

Quote from: DominikSchwager;545187I find 2.300 backers in the most oversturated part of the MMORPG market to be less than impressive. If this gets made it will be free to play and the same as most other fantasy mmorpgs, i.e. not worth playing.

The good thing about this Kickstarter is that GW have just made $200K+ with no real accountability to actually do anything for those who have stumped up the money. Though the MMO may never happen or tank, that's quite a nice amount of free money.

danbuter · June 02, 2012, 08:35:46 PM

This is a terrible idea.

lahasha · June 02, 2012, 10:01:52 PM

Skywalker: That's kind of what I've been thinking. They've definitely got a dedicated fan base to draw their resources from, and they're not trying to make anyone think this is to fund the actual game. If they can get 2300 people to cough up money just in hopes the game might exist, there has to be a chance for something more to come of it all.

Besides, I'm getting my shiny new dungeon module book regardless of what happens so I won't feel shafted by the deal. No need to be a big grump.*CoughDanCough* If you don't like it, don't bother with it.

daniel_ream · June 03, 2012, 01:24:31 AM

Skywalker · June 03, 2012, 03:39:22 AM

Quote from: lahasha;545236... and they're not trying to make anyone think this is to fund the actual game.

That's debatable. The number of posts on RPG forums I have seen calling this the Pathfinder MMO kickstarter is considerable. This one included. Even the comments in the KS has people showing that understanding.

The text of the KS is clear on a technical reading, but I am sure that the fact that the first 4 or so paragraphs only mention the MMO and not the Technology Demo is intentionally misleading.

Ghost Whistler · June 03, 2012, 03:51:55 AM

A straight up fantasy setting competing with WoW in the MMO market is doomed to fail, I'm amazed they even thought they had a chance.

lahasha · June 03, 2012, 08:35:24 AM

Quote from: Skywalker;545317That's debatable. The number of posts on RPG forums I have seen calling this the Pathfinder MMO kickstarter is considerable. This one included. Even the comments in the KS has people showing that understanding.

The text of the KS is clear on a technical reading, but I am sure that the fact that the first 4 or so paragraphs only mention the MMO and not the Technology Demo is intentionally misleading.

Fair enough, I suppose I should have titled my original post 'Pathfinder MMO Technology Demo Kickstarter.' For what it's worth, I had no intention of misleading anyone. And as far as I'm concerned they have described what they are doing clearly enough that I don't feel like I was duped into paying for something I wasn't going to get.

I'm not going to spend too much time defending them however. Like I said, I don't work for them. I'm just happy to see something I find interesting attempting to stand up to the boring behemoth that WoW is now.

Skywalker · June 03, 2012, 04:22:28 PM

Quote from: lahasha;545341Fair enough, I suppose I should have titled my original post 'Pathfinder MMO Technology Demo Kickstarter.' For what it's worth, I had no intention of misleading anyone. And as far as I'm concerned they have described what they are doing clearly enough that I don't feel like I was duped into paying for something I wasn't going to get.

I'm not going to spend too much time defending them however. Like I said, I don't work for them. I'm just happy to see something I find interesting attempting to stand up to the boring behemoth that WoW is now.

I am not calling foul by you

Responsibility lies entirely with GW (and Paizo) who should know better.

Doom · June 05, 2012, 11:13:04 AM

As I'm about to go to my 15th (or so) E3, I know full well I'll see two dozen or more MMOs, that about 80% will never be commercially functional, and roughly 100% will fail.

Pathfinder MMO has a license, but you'd have to be nuts and with money to contribute to this.

Rincewind1 · June 05, 2012, 02:22:43 PM

Quote from: Doom;546056As I'm about to go to my 15th (or so) E3, I know full well I'll see two dozen or more MMOs, that about 80% will never be commercially functional, and roughly 100% will fail.

Pathfinder MMO has a license, but you'd have to be nuts and with money to contribute to this.

Star Trek MMO, DnD MMO, LotR MMO.....out of 3, LotR was a mediocre success at best, the other two, utter failures, at least commercially (star trek also in gameplay).

J Arcane · June 05, 2012, 02:30:50 PM

I just don't understand how this is even legal.

They're still essentially using the OGL of D&D, and the OGL explicitly denies rights to make video games out of it as I understand it. Knights of the Chalice got away with it because it's obscure as fuck, but this project is a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Ladybird · June 05, 2012, 02:42:07 PM

Quote from: Rincewind1;546197Star Trek MMO, DnD MMO, LotR MMO.....out of 3, LotR was a mediocre success at best, the other two, utter failures, at least commercially (star trek also in gameplay).

Turbine certainly seemed happy with it last year, and going F2P entirely turned D&D Online around.

They're not doing WoW numbers, but aiming at being number 1 in the MMO market is a stupid goal these days, as EA / Bioware are finding out to their cost; Blizzard have put billions into WoW, and you're never going to match that investment. The real money is in being 5th - 15thish; aim lower and make better returns.

Depending on where the Pathfinder MMO is aiming (And I'm guessing towards the lower end of the budget scale...), there could be some money there, but I wouldn't want to invest in it.