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New Editions for Wargames

Started by Blackhand, July 03, 2012, 08:02:59 PM

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Blackhand

Just a quick question, to see what's got your attention.

Who else picked up the 6th Edition Warhammer 40,000?

Has anyone else gotten Flames of War 3rd Edition?

Surely some roleplayers are interested in this as part of their hobby, as I am.

edit:  Sorry, this should have been posted in "Other Games".  My mistake.  Can a mod move this for me since I can't delete it?
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Philotomy Jurament

Quote from: Blackhand;556170Just a quick question, to see what's got your attention.

Who else picked up the 6th Edition Warhammer 40,000?

Nope.  I like miniatures wargames, but I have no intention of getting on the WH40K rules/supplement treadmill.  (I'm not interested in the WH40K genre, anyway.)


QuoteHas anyone else gotten Flames of War 3rd Edition?

I did pick up the Flames of War 3rd edition Achtung! starter set.  But that's the only Flames of War rule set that I have.  (That is, I don't own 1e or 2e.)  The jury is still out on whether I'll get into it, or not.

The systems I'm most interested aren't popular/visible ones (at least not in the game stores around here).  At the moment, my interest in focused on Field of Glory, but also HAVOC, Chainmail, and the various rules in John Bobek's Games of War book.  DBA and Hordes of the Things probably deserve a mention, too.
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Blackhand

Quote from: Philotomy Jurament;556208Nope.  I like miniatures wargames, but I have no intention of getting on the WH40K rules/supplement treadmill.  (I'm not interested in the WH40K genre, anyway.)

That's just incendiary.  It's way less a treadmill than any RPG.  All you need is a codex and army and you can be done forever and still say you play 40k.  Well, I did have to buy an ork codex when it came out...but I get 10 years outta my last one and it sucked really hard.

Compare that to the 4e D&D book treadmill, just to have it undone so you literally have to buy them all again.  Please.  

Don't riposte and say you meant army treadmill...because you will never have enough minis.


Quote from: Philotomy Jurament;556208I did pick up the Flames of War 3rd edition Achtung! starter set.  But that's the only Flames of War rule set that I have.  (That is, I don't own 1e or 2e.)  The jury is still out on whether I'll get into it, or not.

The systems I'm most interested aren't popular/visible ones (at least not in the game stores around here).  At the moment, my interest in focused on Field of Glory, but also HAVOC, Chainmail, and the various rules in John Bobek's Games of War book.  DBA and Hordes of the Things probably deserve a mention, too.

You should get into it.  Give mainstreaming a chance man.

Actually, Flames isn't all that popular here.
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Philotomy Jurament

Quote from: Blackhand;556229That's just incendiary.  It's way less a treadmill than any RPG.  All you need is a codex and army and you can be done forever and still say you play 40k.  Well, I did have to buy an ork codex when it came out...but I get 10 years outta my last one and it sucked really hard.
Last time I was in my FLGS I was talking with some of the 40k guys and they were all abuzz about 6th edition and the changes and fixes and such.  Reminded me way too much of the D&D rules treadmill.  That and *6th* edition makes me wary.

I guess it depends on who you're playing with.  I know you can buy a set of rules and army lists and play with those for years.  But if it's a popular game and you're into tournaments and play in leagues hosted by a game store it seems like there'd be a lot of pressure to "keep current."  

I'll concede the argument, though, because you're speaking from experience with the game and I'm not.

QuoteCompare that to the 4e D&D book treadmill, just to have it undone so you literally have to buy them all again.  Please.

I never stepped onto that treadmill, either.  No more D&D treadmills or carousels for me. :)

QuoteYou should get into it.  Give mainstreaming a chance man.

If the genre was something more up my alley, I probably would succumb.  The 40k guys at the game store said they'd lend me any army to give it a try, though, so who knows, I might give it a shot.
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Blackhand

Quote from: Philotomy Jurament;556245I guess it depends on who you're playing with.  I know you can buy a set of rules and army lists and play with those for years.  But if it's a popular game and you're into tournaments and play in leagues hosted by a game store it seems like there'd be a lot of pressure to "keep current."  

Literally years pass between waves for armies.  If you're only playing one army, it will be years before new things come out.  Staying current is a matter of keeping an up to date rulebook and codex.  Codexes stay current an average of 7 years.  The rulebook changes every 4, just like the Olympics.

Quote from: Philotomy Jurament;556245If the genre was something more up my alley, I probably would succumb.  The 40k guys at the game store said they'd lend me any army to give it a try, though, so who knows, I might give it a shot.

So what exactly is the genre you're looking for?
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Quote from: Blackhand;556251So what exactly is the genre you're looking for?
I tend to prefer historical miniatures games.  Ancients and medieval are probably the most interesting, to me, followed by the American Revolutionary period/American Civil War/Napoleonics, followed by WWII.  I'm not as interested in modern or WWI.  Age of sail naval is appealing, too.

All that said, I must admit that a Barsoom miniatures wargame seems appealing, too, so sci-fi/fantasy isn't out of the question.

EDIT:  I forgot Pike-and-Shot.  It should be in there with the American Revolution/ACW and Napoleonics.
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I'd really like to play some wargames, but the local wargame society, afaik, meets on the same night as the rpg club.

And adorable girlfriend would murder me, literally, if I bought the CSM warband/army that I really want. So I'll just have to make do with the lone squad leader on my desk.

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Well, I've got my Kings of War kickstarter hardback on the way.  I'll have to wait a year for the miniatures I'm getting.

I'm torn on 40k.  I've got a couple armies and my boys want me to carry it at my miniatures gaming focused store, but the comic shop in town already does and gives a 20% discount to people who buy a $100/year membership.  So, the existing fan base has a solid reason to shop there and I don't want to get into a price war over something that would represent such a huge investment.

Also, I've grown to hate Games Workshop.  Maybe I'm just mad about what they've done to fantasy.  I know that lots of people like it but personally it's a call back to fifth edition and the only reason I stuck with it after fifth edition was that sixth was seriously focused on troops and core units and less of a ultimate monster mash with ultimateness.  As 40k has also gone that way now and GW isn't doing anything else I'm not sure I need to be abused by their pricing structure anymore.

If their competitors get some support in the retail field they I hold out hope that they'll grow into real competitors.  That's what I'd like to see.  Real competition in the miniatures market.  It'd be good for GW, they'd actually have to try to keep their fans.
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Used to play a 40K Dark Eldar army, and a WFB Bretonnians army. D&D 4E kind of burned me out on miniatures.

Well, not kind of. More 'absolutely'.

Blackhand

Quote from: Philotomy Jurament;556258I tend to prefer historical miniatures games.  Ancients and medieval are probably the most interesting, to me, followed by the American Revolutionary period/American Civil War/Napoleonics, followed by WWII.  

So you know what Flames of War is, right?

What's wrong with it other than it's starting to get some recognition?
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Quote from: Blackhand;556711So you know what Flames of War is, right?
Sure.  Remember up-thread I said I recently picked up the starter kit?

QuoteWhat's wrong with it other than it's starting to get some recognition?
I don't think there's anything wrong with it.  (Not that I know of, anyway.)

EDIT:  To clarify, when I said the games I'm most interested in aren't the popular ones, I didn't intend to imply that I don't like games because they're popular.  It just happens that the ones I'm most interested in *aren't* very popular, unfortunately.    Field of Glory is probably the most mainstream of my "top interest" games.
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danbuter

I gave up on 40k sometime during 4th edition. I got sick of having half my army invalidated by a new codex. It was a lot of fun for a few years, though.
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Blackhand

I've never had an army "invalidated".  

Unless you count Lost and the Damned or 13th Company.  But since I roll them under Guard and Wolves Codeci, I keep my minis.

Rules come and go.
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I had a big Nurgle army with two large units of cultists. Couldn't use it with the new codex at that time (and everyone in the store jumped to the new rules, so I was out of luck).

Similar changes happened to a bunch of other people. I got tired of rebuying my army.
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Quote from: Philotomy Jurament;556258Age of sail naval is appealing, too.

that's something i'd like to get into.  nothing huge like trying to re-create Trafalgar, just something that could do a few units per side.  right now i have kinda both ends of the spectrum--privateers & gentlemen/heart of oak, and the pirates constructible game.  a personal project to find or make a light middle of the two is an ongoing thing for me.