Quote from: Todtsteltzer;796684The Company You Keep
Everyone in the world is judged by who they hang out with, fairly or not. They thought Jesus was a good-for-nothing hobo because he hung out with good-for-nothing hobos. Say you hang out with the Ku Klux Klan. You're not racist, in fact you're against racism as a principle, you just approve of their charitable activities. Nobody thinks giving to a children's hospital is a shitty thing to do, unless the children's hospital is a Hellmouth.
However, you know that people who aren't in the KKK (read: most people) would ostracize you for associating with a group of people who have some pretty abhorrent views based on outdated science and good old-fashioned xenophobia. It's not just that you're hanging out with punks your parents don't approve of, it's that you're hanging out with people who think black people are subhumans. You still identify as a KKKer. You don't approve of their racist activities, but you agree with the charitable donations.
Even if their opinions don't rub off on you, in order to join the KKK, you have to either willfully turn a blind eye to something morally objectionable, or you have to be so unobservant you'd have to think about it a minute if someone asked you the color of the sky. It's disingenuous to try and ignore their views on race because the KKK was founded on opposition to laws that were being put in place in the 1800s to promote greater equality for black Americans. The KKK is a small group - large enough to be present on the American stage, but too small and racist to claim that those things are no longer relevant to their causes.
The KKK uses similar tactics to gain followers as far-right nationalists and other reactionary groups. This is just stuff I've noticed - I'm sure there's more.

It's hard for me to give credence to people who repeatedly compare #gamergate to the Ku Klux Klan.  This is an organization which orchestrated the murders of a great many Americans, along with who knows how many acts of property destruction and domestic terrorism in general.

That you post this, suggests that you hold those black Americans lives so cheap that their great losses are equivalent to gender feminists being issued anonymous threats on the internet.  I hope for your sake this is not the case; that would be a crass thing indeed.

Quote from: Todtsteltzer;796684You often think "I can't help that I was born white with a penis and a preference towards women."

Are you ashamed of who you are, Todd?  That's no way to live, and if someone is telling you to be ashamed of who you were born (male or female, black or white, gay or straight, etc...) it's a powerful sign that they are sadistic manipulators.  Also, bigots.

I fail to see the logic behind the comparison betwwen gamergate and the KKK. The latter is formal organization with ranks, titles and clear leadership while the former is a hastag or at most an very informal organization without rank, title and clear leadership. Ths reasoning seems very odd to me !

Quote from: TristramEvans;796649honestly, after that I just need a break. I work hard (10 hour days) and  when I come home and sit in bed with my laptop and pull up this site on one of 5 or 6 tabs I've got going on, its to enjoy myself with some talk about RPGs, or, to be perfectly honest, some debate. I like debating. I totally cop to that. Its an enjoyable passtime for me. Maybe to some people that makes me a bit of a dick, but I think here on theRPGsite, that just means I'm one of the crowd.

But coming home to find THAT post? Its obvious implications wrapped in world-class bullshit? Sorry to say but I was shocked. It takes a lot to shock me but honestly I'm offended. And I don't ever get offended. Like I cant remember the last time in my life anything actually offended me.

 And I still believe that being offended is just an emotional reaction and that people are responsible for thier own emotional reactions and it's not okay to put the responsibility for that on others. So this is how I'm taking responsibility for myself; just going to quit the conversation. Go do something that washes the bad taste out of my mind.

I think it's pretty K to be offended when people are acting in a profoundly despicable manner, and hey.. you're showing better sense than I did on TBP.  Getting all butthurt and drunkposting is kinda the opposite of what you're doing, which suggests to me that you may be doing it right ;p

Quote from: Catelf;796685Then why did you post it in this thread?
If the bolded is correct, then there is no connection at all between that link and this topic.

Like I apparently keep having to say, read the other posts I made after that.

I WILL apologize for making that initial post without better framing or indications of what I was thinking.

I was rather shocked by the story, particularly coming two weeks after a high school shooting near here.


I don't believe spree killers or murders in general are caused by media stuff (videogames, Catcher in the Rye, or otherwise). Looking at shootings and other killings, they are basically done by a particular kind of CRAZY PERSON (not a ding on people with mental problems generally, the vast majority of whom only hurt themselves).
Shooting sprees are all over the place, and the killers show little commonality beyond often being youngish males.
They are also, statistically, utterly unimportant in number of deaths in the country, but fuel a lot of hysteria.

My reason for linking it HERE was... well, I was somewhat naively thinking every 'side' can go 'oh fucking great, just what we needed.'
It wasn't intended as an attempt to take pot-shots at GGers.


You can disagree with me or think I'm a fucking idiot, that's your prerogative.

But if you decide I'm 'up' to something or that I'm flat-out lying and misrepresenting my views, you can go fuck yourself.

Quote from: Todtsteltzer;796684I apologize in advance if this was already posted here, but this article does sum up my opinion on GamerGate perfectly: https://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/2lf8oa/to_redditors_who_are_in_good_faith_on_the_fence/

Reddit.  The same site whose moderator told a transgender that she is property and should feel ashamed for disagreeing with the social justice warrior corrupt media.  Of course the transgender was banned and that was literally the parting words the moderator left her.

Yeah your source of info is not only wrong, not only hypocritical, but is closet bigot that will take it out on people they view too weak to defend themselves.  My advice towards you is to find better sites with better people.

Also comparing gamergate to the Ku Klux Klan is just as horrible as ISIS.  Both ISIS and the KKK had murdered people and are terrorists.  They both had blown up buildings and done mass murders to terrorize other people to get what they want.  No one in gamergate had done any of these horrible crimes against humanity.  The fact that Reddit is making that kind of a argument shows how fucking corrupt they are.  They need to spread lies because the truth would only make them lose their jobs.

Quote from: yabaziou;796690I fail to see the logic behind the comparison betwwen gamergate and the KKK. The latter is formal organization with ranks, titles and clear leadership while the former is a hastag or at most an very informal organization without rank, title and clear leadership. Ths reasoning seems very odd to me !

There is no logic when gaming journalists said that gamers are worst than ISIS.  It is just a tactic they use to get people outrage.  It also shows the true colors of those gaming journalists and those colors are not pretty.

Yeah, sorry, but "the company you keep" is of a piece with "if this hashtag is so tainted, why don't you organize under another one?"  Because the antis are the ones who have their minds made up.  All it takes is one goon to say he's pro GG (or whatever the hypothetical tag would be) to let all of the professionally concerned people blacklist them again.  I mean, all we need to do is look at that case where Anita Sarkeesian got hit with anti-Semitic slurs when she's not even Jewish.  Will, if you want to know why you're not getting any slack in this thread, it's because by your guilt-by-association terms, GamerGate must necessarily be treated as not only sexist but anti-Semitic because of a declaration of solidarity by someone who's not even smart enough to be a good anti-Semite.

JG

Quote from: Will;796727I was rather shocked by the story, particularly coming two weeks after a high school shooting near here.

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That wasn't a 'high school shooting', that was a classic murder-suicide that happened to take place on school grounds.

Um. What's the difference?

Details here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marysville_Pilchuck_High_School_shooting


(And in case people need it outlined in crayon, no, I'm not claiming the Marysville shooting had anything at all to do with Gamergate Really really really really really. Ok?)

Trenchcoats and Marilyn Manson.

Got to give Marilyn Mansion props.  During that time he was getting death threats like a heavy down pour of rain and he still did his concerts.  Man is gifted and a lot more braver than social justice jack asses.

Remember when I said that one of the problems with an insurgency is that it creates a chaotic and unstable environment wherein third parties can execute their own agenda using one or both sides as cover? That's what we're seeing now.

Aside from the emails targeting advertisers and other direct, private communications (the sort that the pro-GG side do very well), the best way to do Gamergate is to keep up playing those games and being part of the gaming nation and culture.

So, I'm going to enjoy this Virtual Ticket to BlizzCon that I won from WOWhead and be a big ol' gamer enjoying games and gaming info from my company of choice. (Overwatch is going to be awesome.)

The best way to "do" GamerGate is to not be part of GG, and just focus on playing and enjoying games without getting involved in the drama.

And that's what I predict will happen, long term.

Quote from: Bradford C. Walker;797162So, I'm going to enjoy this Virtual Ticket to BlizzCon that I won from WOWhead and be a big ol' gamer enjoying games and gaming info from my company of choice. (Overwatch is going to be awesome.)

Please post a review of Virtual BlizzCon in Other Games! I want to hear more about Overwatch...even if its not StarCraft Ghost