Snowman, I keep overlooking the divider between text and sig, which sometimes makes your posts HILARIOUS.

Ship astroturfers by roc!

Quote from: Piestrio;796332Yeah that seems way too "let me lay out my evil plot, mwhahaha" to be real.

Not that it's terribly unbelievable. Gawker is terrible in every way.

It is the same owner that let one of his writers post insults to advertisers that left them which that attitude is "great" way to keep the advertisers you still have.  They literally bitten not just the hand, but their own life line.  The owner of Gawker being stupid and arrogant isn't some thing I would find surprising.

Quote from: Will;796185It's so cute that you guys think you are winning.

GG has teenagers with hormones! Anti-GG has screeching and handwringing. It's a no brainer to see who is gonna win this one.

During my life, teens of each generation have been under assault by the Morality-brigade, then Mommy-brigade, and now Outrage-brigade and in the end, each time the kids win the culture wars.

So zits and bewbies 4 teh win!

Quote from: Snowman0147;796190The reality is that a guy who is a gamergate at Michigan cannot control what a gamergate guy in New York is saying.

And that's the same for all groups.

As much as I don't like Teabaggers, I actually felt kinda bad for them them they all got smeared with that "Keep Government out of my Medicare!" meme just because a few utter retards were waving those signs.

Being Muslim in NYC on 9/12 must have uber-sucked.

Quote from: Will;796198Anti-GamerGate isn't a thing. It's an eidolon you guys are making up so you can beat 'both sides!' drum.

Eidolons in Pathfinder are so damn broken.

Just saying.

Quote from: Will;796198You cannot control what others are doing under GamerGate flag -so you should fucking stop using the flag-.

Until then I'm going to see you as complicit.

I think you've made a lot of good points in this thread (and others), but this isn't a defensible position.

Quote from: Will;796210Oh, and by the way, GGers, thank you ever so much for making gamers seem like hateful misogynist basement dwelling assholes.

Did you ever play Xbox Live in the early 00s?

Holy fuck.  

Quote from: Alathon;796212Nobody can kill us without guns, and the conservabros seem pretty chill.

Gamers are now immune to knives and disease?

Sweet.

Quote from: CRKrueger;796244BTW, the following picture was created by a woman, apparently she doesn't know she's a brainwashed self-hating misogynist.

Chicks can be so kooky!

Quote from: Will;796331Source?

Looks to have been from Denton's FB page, which, per what seems to have been a followup post, has since been deactivated.

Irrespective of GamerGate, these Facebook posts go a long way in explaining why Gawker media is so god-awful.

"We apologize for the fault in the subtitles.  Those responsible have been sacked."

Take a look at those facebook posts.  That guy runs gwaker which owns several video game "journalists" sites.  Take a good look at his behavior.  Do you believe he is going to be a nice caring man at work?  I don't think so.

Want to know why several gaming "news" sites said gamers are dead all in one day?  It is because this guy gave the order.  He is piss off because we peek through the curtains and many people agreed not to support this shit any more.

Quote from: Spinachcat;796344Gamers are now immune to knives and disease?

Sweet.

Overlarge claims in truth, I'll admit, but we do seem to have some sort of bonus on psionics saves.

Quote from: Snowman0147;796334Question is how do we fight astro-turfing?

TBH, we just keep doing what we're doing.  If people say stuff that rings false we ignore it.  If it seems like they just parrot the same talking points, never really engage or honestly reply, we acknowledge that they are committed to a position and quit wasting their and our time.  Whether that commitment is from honest ideology or payola is something that comes out in time, and ultimately the payola game is ruinous for most peoples self-worth.  They punish themselves cruelly for a pittance; there's no need to rage at them, our words can't cut them the way their participation in their own debasement does.

Quote from: Will;796321Maybe it is, but you wouldn't know it from your post.

That may be true. Fortunately, when you replied to my post by confirming that you think it's reasonable to villainize grassroots organizations, ideological groups, and entire religions based on the actions of a minority of people within those groups you nicely confirmed the complete idiocy of your argument.

Thanks for confirming your bigotry and the primitive, tribalistic thinking that dominates your thinking. Others in this thread will obviously keep trying to convince you to change your mind about #GamerGate, but your thinking is so fundamentally retrogressive and anti-rational that it's fairly clear now that you would need to completely revise your flawed methods of perceiving reality. As long as you're willing to endorse positions like "all Catholics should quit being Catholics because some priests are pedophiles and any Catholics who don't are complicit in pedophilia", you're obviously not capable of engaging in rational discourse when it comes to discussing organizations, movements, or ideologies.

Quote from: woodsmoke;796354Looks to have been from Denton's FB page, which, per what seems to have been a followup post, has since been deactivated.

If this is actually legit (FB posts aren't exactly hard to shop), it's awful behaviour (Journalistic organisation, they should be reporting the news, not making it), and it basically says to every organisation "gawker media is not your friend, and should not be trusted". There's a difference between "we infiltrated an organisation to tell our audience about it" and "we infiltrated an organisation to destroy it".

It's also possible that it's a work, that there were no such infiltrators at any point, and it's just designed to spread fear and doubt amongst GG-er ranks. Because seriously, unless he is an idiot, he would have known that any FB post of his was likely to get shared; and if you want to cause dissent in a group that believes you are engaged in a conspiracy, it won't exactly be difficult to convince them that you really do have a conspiracy going on. Saying "I am running a conspiracy" and letting people panic is much cheaper and easier than actually running one, after all.

So yeah, fuck 'em (And on a side note, fuck the people who are giving gamers a bad name, by both accusing them of being bad people and by being bad people in their name. We all know the majority of gamers are fundamentally decent people, who just want more games and more people to enjoy them.).

Quote from: CRKrueger;796244There you go again, denying the anti-GG narrative. Why do you hate women so?

BTW, the following picture was created by a woman, apparently she doesn't know she's a brainwashed self-hating misogynist.

Fixed the link.

So the campaign for journalistic integrity started with slander that was quickly disproven, but backers keep referring to it as true because they 'haven't been keeping up with the story.'

And a bunch of them can't keep track of which of two Asian dudes said that one thing one time and keep using it to make digs.

And pass around a fake facebook job to show how awful their opponents are.

And pass around antisemitic crap about an Armenian woman.


We can see how committed GGers are to journalistic integrity.

Quote from: Will;796475So the campaign for journalistic integrity started with slander that was quickly disproven, but backers keep referring to it as true because they 'haven't been keeping up with the story.'

And a bunch of them can't keep track of which of two Asian dudes said that one thing one time and keep using it to make digs.

And pass around a fake facebook job to show how awful their opponents are.

And pass around antisemitic crap about an Armenian woman.


We can see how committed GGers are to journalistic integrity.

That's all as may be, but at least the GGers have acknowledged that (people claiming to belong to) both sides have sent threats and harassment to the other side; which is something you as well as the usual anti-GGers have been too chickenshit dishonest to acknowledge to date.

Quote from: Premier;796481That's all as may be, but at least the GGers have acknowledged that (people claiming to belong to) both sides have sent threats and harassment to the other side; which is something you as well as the usual anti-GGers have been too chickenshit dishonest to acknowledge to date.

Both Will and I have acknowledged that there has been various bad behavior including harassment on the part of people who are anti-GamerGate. (This doesn't mean that I claim that the two sides have made equivalent amounts of threats and harassment. I don't have any way to measure that.)

Being opposed to something doesn't mean that I'm necessarily in favor of any particular opponents of that. If someone were to start up a hashtag campaign of #endgamergate and kick it off with slanderous lies that dragged in lurid personal details of Adam Baldwin or Internet Aristocrat, I would be opposed to that too.  (On the less hypothetical side, I was opposed to ConsultancyGate as well.)

From what I can see, even if I don't agree with him about everything, Will has been remarkably patient and polite in this thread - especially given the ton of insults being thrown at him.

Cock flarging quimmonkeys!

Ok, just getting that out of the way.

Premier:
My thesis is that 'anti-GG' isn't a coherent 'side,' because it's not FOR anything, any more than 'non-Christian' is a coherent group.

That's why 'some people who don't like GG did horrible things' seems different, to me, than 'people calling themselves GG did horrible things.'

And let's be clear, if that Nick Denton Facebook thing was actually _real_, I would be quite happily and loudly denouncing him. (And as it is, I already think he's kind of a dick and untrustworthy)

Now, feel free to think I'm wrong, that 'anti-GG' is as coherent and organized a group as pro-GG. Think I'm stupid, whatever.
But it's a consistent logical position.