Hell, even taking the video at face value doesn't exactly prove anything. Out of 10 hours of shooting, they got just under 2 minutes of footage, during which time a grand total of two men did anything more than greet/call out to the woman in passing.

Because I was bored and curious, I crunched the numbers. 2 minutes of footage (which is more than they actually had, but I'm rounding up because I'm lazy) out of 600 minutes of shooting = .3 repeating percent of total shooting time. Expand that to the scale of a full day (and again ignoring the fact one would generally be asleep for ~1/3 of that time and thus not subject to catcalling because I'm lazy) and you're looking at ~4.5 minutes total. Accounting for the fact the two men were apparently walking along beside her for several minutes each I'll be generous and bump the total up to, say, 20 minutes.

I don't know about you, but I certainly consider dealing with people I don't know and may not want to (where "dealing with" here means "ignoring them and going about my day," naturally) for a cumulative total of 20 minutes each day incontrovertible proof of the horrible and omnipresent oppression I and everyone like me faces in our society.

Just an aside, Woodsmoke, to note that that's a great beer, particularly the Oaked.


And yeah. It's an interesting video in 'hey look at stuff that happens,' but for it to mean much more than that you need, like, studies and interviews. (Which people have done and 'talking to women in my life' is why I understand how anxious it can be living as a woman)

Quote from: One Horse Town;795305Sorry folks, but the next person who posts an image without any other substance to the post gets the thread closed. Pundit has for a long time said that he doesn't like posted images in lieu of content.

I am a little surprised that nobody has posted an image of a briar patch with no text.  Perhaps that speaks well of the community's self-control and restraint.

Back to RPG threads for me now.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;795377Anyone who's ever played an video game online knows there are immature idiots who sow misogyny and racism like wheat in a field.  I fucking hate these people, and it's one reason why I don't play online games.

And we also know that women get harassed all the fucking time.  That Woman Walking in New York recent video hits that point home.

And we know that ethics is something sorely lacking in the gaming journalism industry, and has been for a long time.  Quid Pro Quo seems the norm.  Why is this suddenly a shock now?  That's how capitalism works in this country.  In politics, it's called "lobbying"

And we know Brianna Wu created sock puppet accounts ...

I am in agreement with your first three paragraphs.

I have no idea at this point who Brianna Wu is, and have no interest in going into allegations about her. Earlier in the thread, I did actually look into the allegations against Zoe Quinn when S'mon and NovaStar argued them - especially since they were the origin of the GamerGate tag. I've also read a few others, but I am rapidly losing interest in a checking out laundy list of accusations against either side.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;795377This whole thing just needs to die in fire.  Or rather a lot of the most vocal people on either side just need to die in fire.  There are low life douchebags on both sides of this issue, and each one is trying outdo the other.

Anyone who's ever played an video game online knows there are immature idiots who sow misogyny and racism like wheat in a field.  I fucking hate these people, and it's one reason why I don't play online games.

And we also know that women get harassed all the fucking time.  That Woman Walking in New York recent video hits that point home.

And we know that ethics is something sorely lacking in the gaming journalism industry, and has been for a long time.  Quid Pro Quo seems the norm.  Why is this suddenly a shock now?  That's how capitalism works in this country.  In politics, it's called "lobbying"

And we know Brianna Wu created sock puppet accounts to act like some sort of agent provocateur, so who really knows what threat was an actual threat and not something she (or others like her) made up to make themselves the victim?  It's not like there's not a history of extreme activists making threats up to get attention.

About the only thing I know for sure is that yes, there are legitimate reasons to take on misogyny in gaming, and there are legitimate threats against these people.  I also know that some of these threats are made up by them.  How many?  Which ones?  Who knows.

That's why this whole thing just needs a giant reset button, and these attention whoring assholes (on both sides) can go die in fire.

#DieInFire

Ok, I'll admit I didn't see this coming...http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/857/658/cfc.jpg

Suey Park, the creator of #CancelColbert, calls out Anita Sarkeesian (who signal boosted #CC) for appearing on The Colbert Report.

Never thought I'd say this either, but I actually agree with Zoe Quinn:
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/857/603/033.jpg

The OPPRESSION OLYMPICS have begun!!!

Quote from: Bradford C. Walker;795391Time to drop some video bombs:

Sargon of Akkad - The Art of #GamerGate: A nearly half-hour video reviewing more recent GG developments, how they connect, spoken about over an original art piece by a GG supporter.

Sargon of Akkad - A Conversation with #GamerGate and #NotYourShield (28/10/2014) The record of a 4 hour livesteam over Google Hangout from a few days ago; yes, it's worth listening to all of it.

GamerGaters - GamerGaters - The nature of Identity handles and The GG Harassment Patrol

GamerGaters - GamerGaters - 27th October Community Stream feat. Roguestar & The Ralph Retort

Internet Aristocrat - #GamerGate Tonight Stream 10/24/14

In addition, some YouTube channel links:

Honey Badger Radio (frequently talks GamerGate and related issues)
GamerGaters
Sargon of Akkad
Internet Aristocrat

Takeaway: Fuck the SJWs and their establishment media presence. This is where the real evidence of GG and its ongoing transformative effect upon the gaming nation crops up- and it does not favor the SJWs.

Sargon, CH Sommers and King of Pol talk about feminist academia.
http://www.hitbox.tv/video/302433

Sargon interview with the BBC. The interviewer tries to spin the threat narrative, and Sargon slaps him down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNrCieKUq4s

Quote from: Novastar;795436The OPPRESSION OLYMPICS have begun!!!

Holy shit. It's actually happening. Someone pass me some o' that popcorn. This is going to be glorious.

Quote from: Will;795413Just an aside, Woodsmoke, to note that that's a great beer, particularly the Oaked.

It's quite possibly my favorite beer, both because the branding brings joy to my pitted black heart and because it's just damn good. I dream of the day the state churchislature stops being stupid and I can actually buy some in Utah. Though it's far more likely I'll simply have to consign myself to occasional out-of-state trips to pick some up.

Quote from: WillAnd yeah. It's an interesting video in 'hey look at stuff that happens,' but for it to mean much more than that you need, like, studies and interviews. (Which people have done and 'talking to women in my life' is why I understand how anxious it can be living as a woman)

Right. 'Course, it's partially by that same measure of speaking to women in my life that I was convinced a lot of people (a disproportionate amount of whom do seem to be women, but it's no means exclusive to them*) simply allow themselves to get way more worked up about things than a given situation usually calls for.

Anecdotes are funny like that.

*Hell, I'm one of 'em sometimes. I have moderate cynophobia in a (local) culture where most folks not only love dogs but generally distrust anyone who doesn't automatically express similar feelings. Thing is, I actually like mutts, I just don't react well to random encounters.

Actually, most of them have a sort of resigned 'what can you do?' vibe.

They even are mostly resigned to the fact that men look for excuses or try to minimize it, like 'oh it's surely not that bad...' "K, whatever."

One of the more amusing examples was a trans woman who I've known for a long time. When she presented as male, she ... pretty much thought like most men. It's bad, sure, but it's surely not something you'd have to deal with constantly.

Welp. Yeah.

She's pretty blase' about it, and has only volunteered it when the rest of us get talking about experiences or sexism or politics (ugh).

I have a conservative friend who mentioned how he's glad there's little/no sexism at Microsoft, and my wife, who also worked at Microsoft... well, it was on FB so she didn't literally laugh in his face, but in another venue she would have.


The bitch of it is that most women don't talk about this because it's such a daily element of their lives and men constantly get defensive and say it's not THAT bad.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;795439http://www.hitbox.tv/video/302433

That first two minutes of that link.  Just wow.  I mean WOW!  Telling a transwoman that you own her as property because you are a social justice warrior fighting for her "rights".  That is not only bigotry, not just dehumanizing, but flat out trying to enslave another person.  That is a whole new fucking low.

Quote from: S'mon;795361Dang, I hadn't spotted that! I knew the US left-media were keeping the Ferguson outrage going to try to increase black turnout in the midterms, but I hadn't thought about GamerGate and how the negative left-media coverage of GG could potentially increase liberal-female turnout. Even if not by a lot, every little helps in midterms where turnout of less motivated voters is traditionally low.

It'll be interesting to see what the conservatives do with it, they're getting a whole lot of young American eyes on Breitbart, and that's not the normal course of things.  They probably don't want any more womens issues fuckups until 2017 though, so.. dunno.

Quote from: Ladybird;795373And where exactly do you suggest they go?

No, I'm honestly curious. This isn't restricted to the platform-exclusive sites; they're all dependent on the major publishers giving access, inviting them to preview and review days, sending out pre-release review code. And as I said earlier, it's going to stay this way until gamers fund the sites they want to be reading, but this leads neatly on to...


...the fact that, even if you fund a journalist, they're still reliant on the same publishers for access, and it's "this year's game in yearly franchise gets 9/10, shockingly" articles that are the bread-and-butter of game sites.

I'm an RPS fan, I've been a subscriber for years, I love me some New Games Journalism, but that is a site by enthusiasts that writes content for enthusiasts, and isn't even trying to be populist.

To deal with the publishers control over reviewers, gamers can do a few things.  The most straightforward way would be for many of us to stop pre-ordering, stop buying at release.  This has never been a credible option before, but the organization GG is bringing could make this possible.  If there were understood to be a two week window before many gamers would buy, that would give reviewers time to work.  Game companies would hate hate hate this because it would fuck with their marketing, hopefully we could bargain them away from the practice of hardballing reviewers.  Game companies really like having this influence, but they don't need it, so I figure bargaining is possible.

Until such substantial changes happen, I think the best we can do is spend our time exploring the many, many amateur game reviewers.  Doing our due dilligence to find critics who do theirs.  Amateurs, or niche outlets like the one you mentioned, seem to me to be the wave of the immediate future.

Quote from: Novastar;795436The OPPRESSION OLYMPICS have begun!!!

#shouldhavesentapoet

Quote from: Will;795369It'd be really interesting, I think, to see how closely GG/anti-GG maps to conservative/liberal.

I'm guessing 'very closely.'

I dunno.

I'm kinda a leftie and increasingly pro-GG.

Quote from: Will;795442One of the more amusing examples was a trans woman who I've known for a long time. When she presented as male, she ... pretty much thought like most men. It's bad, sure, but it's surely not something you'd have to deal with constantly.

Welp. Yeah.

Perhaps she had perspective that you don't.

Quote from: Alathon;795446Until such substantial changes happen, I think the best we can do is spend our time exploring the many, many amateur game reviewers.  Doing our due dilligence to find critics who do theirs.  Amateurs, or niche outlets like the one you mentioned, seem to me to be the wave of the immediate future.

Agreed.  We should look at the people that are going to replace those gaming "journalist" sites.  Total Biscut may not be everyone's cup of tea, but he doesn't accept bribes and doesn't back down when being threaten.  This is why he is top dog in steam reviews.

In fact lets players will eventually replace gaming sites because the vast majority don't shove down their political agenda down peoples' throats.  They actually love the games they are playing which builds up excitement.  Most important is if one lets player begins to fuck up people will do what the free market does.  Ditch him/her and go for a better lets player.