It is an authoritarian streak, typical of the illiberal left. Too bad for Daddy Cam Banks, though, that he can't do jack shit to stop people from using #tabletopgate.

Quote from: Will;794290Oh hey, Arroz, you yet again mischaracterize what someone said! At least it's extra obvious since the link and your 'summation' are right there.

'No publisher is going to want to deal with this crap from you' isn't authoritarian. It's, at worst, venting and hystrionic.



Uh huh. BS games again.

'I'm not going to say what constitutes evidence so I and others can nitpick everything about it, shift the goalposts constantly until we can get you to give up.'

Nope, not playing that game.

You either feel you have evidence and you present it, or you don't. I don't have to define it for you. Now you go ahead and prove that gamer gate is predominantly about misogyny

Quote from: Will;794295I think it's not a pragmatic decision at all (with shades of lazy slacktivism), because yes, GamerGate is getting way more airtime. But to the vast populace unfamiliar with (and generally disinterested in) gaming journalism, what is most visible and easy to understand is a bunch of women talking about how gaming is hostile to women and then getting victimized over it.

Hm, yeah, funny that. Wonder how many pro-GG folks have been interviewed on MSNBC, NPR, HuffPost, or how many pro-GG articles (or even neutral/balanced articles) have been written in Forbes, Newsweek, etc. etc. etc. ad infinitum.

It's easy to see why the vast, unfamiliar populace is getting that negative impression with GG because that's all they're being shown.

Imagine that.

The death/rape threats are awful things and they muddy the issue. But I haven't seen a compelling reason to hold Gamergate responsible for them. Or, frankly, to take them seriously. Whenever I hear about those sorts of things over the internet, my default assumption is its some dumbass teenager.

Whats most interesting to me is that the most proof that GG is about journalistic ethics is from the media in response by displaying absolutely no journalistic integrity while reporting on this case.

And yes, being against SJWs in media can be the same thing as fighting for journalistic ethics. To use a topical example, being against the SJWs at RPGnet is the same thing as being about ethics in site moderation.

Quote from: ArrozConLeche;794299You either feel you have evidence and you present it, or you don't. I don't have to define it for you. Now you go ahead and prove that gamer gate is predominantly about misogyny

You are asking the impossible of him, and you both know it.

You both know (is my impression) that GamerGate isn't about misogyny, but that it gives the impression of being all about misogyny.

Why do I talk for Will?
Because he obviously expresses himself clumsy, and i'm tired of people constantly getting annoyed or even misunderstanding him over it.

....I'll try to keep it to a minimum, though.

Sorry if i'm patronizing you Will ....

Quote from: Werekoala;794300Hm, yeah, funny that. Wonder how many pro-GG folks have been interviewed on MSNBC, NPR, HuffPost, or how many pro-GG articles (or even neutral/balanced articles) have been written in Forbes, Newsweek, etc. etc. etc. ad infinitum.

It's easy to see why the vast, unfamiliar populace is getting that negative impression with GG because that's all they're being shown.

Imagine that.

And why do you think they do not get any spokesperson for GamerGate?

Quote from: apparition13;794292They are making a pragmatic decision that getting the message out and dealing with the fuckheads is less bad an option than not getting the message out (because no one is listening to other channels) and not dealing with the fuckheads. From their standpoint it's a reasonable tradeoff

In other words, like every Political Party and political movement ever, including any that Will supports.

Quote from: ArrozConLeche;794285In other news, Daddy Cam Banks is warning you not to tie tabletop games to #gamergate or you will never work again in this town.*

Poser from the Outrage Brigade shows authoritarian streak. News at 11.

https://m.google.com/app/basic/stream/z124w52gfzqwyvrdb23rtp5xyxadyhfae04

Do not dare use #tabletopgate or risk the selfrighteous wrath of Daddy Cam Banks.

"I have a degree in ethics, so don't even start with me."

LOL. I have no idea who this man is, but he certainly sounds like a complete prat.

Quote from: Catelf;794303Why do I talk for Will?
Because he obviously expresses himself clumsy, and i'm tired of people constantly getting annoyed or even misunderstanding him over it.

....I'll try to keep it to a minimum, though.

Sorry if i'm patronizing you Will ....

Nah, I didn't think I was being that mysterious, and there's only so much time I can be here.

I'll let you know if I disagree with your assessment.

Quote from: TristramEvans;794302Whats most interesting to me is that the most proof that GG is about journalistic ethics is from the media in response by displaying absolutely no journalistic integrity while reporting on this case.

And yes, being against SJWs in media can be the same thing as fighting for journalistic ethics. To use a topical example, being against the SJWs at RPGnet is the same thing as being about ethics in site moderation.

Two good points. I agree about your second point - SJW ideology by its nature is corrupting of the classical-Liberal concept of journalistic ethics, so that's not surprising at all, but is an important point for non-SJW left-liberals to understand: SJW is bad even if you agree with its stated aims.

On the first point, yes, though I'd the proviso that a fair few games sites have shown integrity. Much of the worst coverage has come from the mainstream media, as usual, from journalists who have supposedly had ethics training.

OT: I have a friend who's an ethics lecturer. I don't get the impression that this gives her any particular insight into actual issues.

For what it's worth, I found Cam Banks stuff vaguely 'old man yelling on his porch' more than anything else.
Paternalistic, maybe, I just find calling it 'authoritarian' over-dramatic.

I mean, I vaguely agree with him. But ... enh. If people can't see that their behavior is bad, let them hang. Ranting about it is juvenile. 'You watch out! You'll see!'

Quote from: Will;794271Yeah, you guys go on winning hearts and minds.

http://www.themarysue.com/joss-whedon-reddit-gamergate/

Quote(Important side note: A lot of the people calling for "journalistic ethics" quite transparently don't know anything about journalism — to say that sites should clearly label what is and isn't opinion, for example, is just plain weird, because a) that distinction is less and less relevant and is mostly a relic of newspaper days; and b) it's a basic reading-comprehension thing; anyone who reads on a daily basis can tell, pretty simply from various cues in the narrative, whether they're reading a work of "straight" journalism [outdated, troublesome term], "pure" opinion [again, bleh], or some combination of the two [which is what a lot of games coverage is].)

In other words, there's no point in referring to "journalistic ethics" because it's one of those oxymoronic terms like "military intelligence."

Still, I think the author is more than a bit disingenuous in saying that the reader is automatically supposed to tell the difference between "straight" journalism, which they say is an outdated and troublesome term, or a mix of fact and opinion.
I'm not sure if they'd be so blase' and approving if we were discussing Fox News.  For one thing that would undermine the overall Left narrative that the only reason the population as a whole doesn't endorse the objectively pure, good and true policies of the Democrats is because propaganda masquerading as fact is the only thing keeping the Republican Party in operation.

JG

Actually, I think the overall Leftist narrative is that conservatives are anti-science, misogynist, religious stupid hicks who refuse to see the truth out of spite, and Faux N3w$ feeds into their vivid fantasy life.

Quote from: Will;794322Actually, I think the overall Leftist narrative is that conservatives are anti-science, misogynist, religious stupid hicks who refuse to see the truth out of spite, and Faux N3w$ feeds into their vivid fantasy life.

Thats just the general view of Americans this side of the border.

Quote from: S'mon;794310"I have a degree in ethics, so don't even start with me."

LOL. I have no idea who this man is, but he certainly sounds like a complete prat.

Yeah, that quote caused me to dismiss him as well.