Quote from: Haffrung;794097Yep. Outside certain zones of the internet, they're largely irrelevant. Get off your computer, take a walk, grab a coffee, and read a good book. Call your friends over and play a game. Level up your character in Skyrim. Have a beer and watch a hockey game. You'll find the SJW crusade has not touched or affected you in any way.

Generally speaking, I agree with you. Within the broader social context they're a tempest in a teapot. Unfortunately, it's demonstrably untrue within the much narrower context of hobby gaming.

That bit I bolded? My buddy and I fired up Borderlands: the Pre-Sequel yesterday. Within the first hour of gameplay there was a bit where Mr. Torgue got up on his social justice soapbox and spouted a bunch of textbook feminist bullshit about the friend zone being a misogynistic something something I stopped listening as soon as he invoked the misogyny corollary of Godwin's Law.

Up to that point, I'd been having fun with the game, and after facepalming for a few minutes I was able to shake it off and get back into the action. In that moment, though, I was totally taken out of the experience and forcefully reminded of the effect this postmodernist bullshit crusade has had on my hobby. This isn't the first time, either. In the announcement trailer for the Pre-Sequel, after the playable characters were introduced Mr. Torgue shouted "GENDER EQUALITY!" And don't get me started on the Lilith-as-Big-Mean-Gatekeeper subplot in the Assault on Dragon Keep DLC for Borderlands 2.

Nor is it limited solely to Gearbox/2K. Anita Sarkeesian, ethically bankrupt con artist and professional victim, has been hired by EA as a consultant for Mirror's Edge 2 - a game that was already doing everything gender ideologues say they want games to do, but apparently wasn't feministing hard enough.

I've every confidence the hobby will eventually shake off the intellectual virus of this social Marxist propaganda, just as I'm sure the culture at large will. Right now, though, these assholes are fucking with my games, and I'll be damned if I'm just going to stand by and let them.

Quote from: woodsmoke;794117feministing

An apt description of what the radical feminists are trying to do to us all.

Quote from: TristramEvans;794116Oh and this is nice:

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/525793436025118721

Yep that is the type of attitude that gets people piss off and this pisses off everyone.  No wonder people see feminists in a negative light because this is the type of narrative that took over because a certain group within the feminists wanted this to be the narrative.  Thankfully we have women like this trying to fix things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MxqSwzFy5w

Oh you should see some of the tweets social justice warriors had said about this woman.  You will find it quite enlightening in how social justice warriors treat those that "betray the narrative".

Of course feminism means a bunch of different things. That's one reason there's a range of what you can define 'GamerGate' as.

The point is that it's _about_ anti-feminism, however you define feminism, more than it's about anything else.

The primary drive of GG is ideological warfare, not 'man, EA are being duplicitous dicks.'

If journalistic integrity was the core focus of GG, we'd be seeing a range of views unrelated to Social Justice, liberalism, and so forth. We'd be seeing liberals raging against GOP pro-business, we'd be seeing all sorts of stuff.

Quote from: Snowman0147;794120Yep that is the type of attitude that gets people piss off and this pisses off everyone.  No wonder people see feminists in a negative light because this is the type of narrative that took over because a certain group within the feminists wanted this to be the narrative.  Thankfully we have women like this trying to fix things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MxqSwzFy5w

Oh you should see some of the tweets social justice warriors had said about this woman.  You will find it quite enlightening in how social justice warriors treat those that "betray the narrative".

LOL. That's the lady whose book I quoted which got me permabanned from RPGnet! lmao

Quote from: Will;794121Of course feminism means a bunch of different things. That's one reason there's a range of what you can define 'GamerGate' as.

The point is that it's _about_ anti-feminism, however you define feminism, more than it's about anything else.

The primary drive of GG is ideological warfare, not 'man, EA are being duplicitous dicks.'

If journalistic integrity was the core focus of GG, we'd be seeing a range of views unrelated to Social Justice, liberalism, and so forth. We'd be seeing liberals raging against GOP pro-business, we'd be seeing all sorts of stuff.

Why? We're not seeing that from the SJWs

Quote from: TristramEvans;794123Why? We're not seeing that from the SJWs

What fucking sense does that make?

GG: 'It's not about anti-feminism!'
SJW: 'Yes it is!'
GG: 'I'm going to prove it with a lot of chatter about how feminism and SJWs are horrible!'


Acting as a mirror of SJW just proves their point, so if you are trying to show them up, you're... sucking at it.

Show me evidence, or stop it Will.

Quote from: Rincewind1;794078I missed the part where two people were killed, one shot. Do I need to pay to see the whole article?

Oh, sorry, missed this one earlier.

I was referring to my earlier post:

Quote from: Snowman0147;794125Show me evidence, or stop it Will.

There is no evidence that would convince you, so, yeah, not playing your game.

Quote from: woodsmoke;794117Generally speaking, I agree with you. Within the broader social context they're a tempest in a teapot. Unfortunately, it's demonstrably untrue within the much narrower context of hobby gaming.

That bit I bolded? My buddy and I fired up Borderlands: the Pre-Sequel yesterday. Within the first hour of gameplay there was a bit where Mr. Torgue got up on his social justice soapbox and spouted a bunch of textbook feminist bullshit about the friend zone being a misogynistic something something I stopped listening as soon as he invoked the misogyny corollary of Godwin's Law.

Up to that point, I'd been having fun with the game, and after facepalming for a few minutes I was able to shake it off and get back into the action. In that moment, though, I was totally taken out of the experience and forcefully reminded of the effect this postmodernist bullshit crusade has had on my hobby. This isn't the first time, either. In the announcement trailer for the Pre-Sequel, after the playable characters were introduced Mr. Torgue shouted "GENDER EQUALITY!" And don't get me started on the Lilith as Big Mean Gatekeeper subplot in the Assault on Dragon Keep DLC for Borderlands 2.

Okay, that is annoying. Point taken. But I'm also willing to bet that sort of bullshit pisses off a lot more people playing Borderlands than it pleases. And the market will eventually sort that out.

What demanding evidence to back up your statements is a game now?  What makes you think your above evidence?  So far I had seen the gamergate people, or those that can agree with them showing evidence to support their claims.

All you done was show a comic which isn't evidence.

Evidence for something which is a high level judgement of trends of a largescale movement? How exactly am I supposed to provide that?

Any singular examples can be shot down as anecdotal/outliers, whether by me or you.


All I can say is, even if you all are right about what GG 'really' is, if you think you're winning the argument, you are huffing fumes. Felicia Day gets better airtime.

Quote from: Will;794121If journalistic integrity was the core focus of GG, we'd be seeing a range of views unrelated to Social Justice, liberalism, and so forth. We'd be seeing liberals raging against GOP pro-business, we'd be seeing all sorts of stuff.

My understanding is that it is about game-journal journalistic integrity, but the concern is specifically about game journals being taken over by SJWs. So the two are linked.

Quote from: Will;794136Evidence for something which is a high level judgement of trends of a largescale movement? How exactly am I supposed to provide that?

Any singular examples can be shot down as anecdotal/outliers, whether by me or you.


All I can say is, even if you all are right about what GG 'really' is, if you think you're winning the argument, you are huffing fumes. Felicia Day gets better airtime.

High level judgement? The fuck does that even mean?