When I think about it, it may be just as well to add my viewpoints:

If you are up into it, all one side(the SJW's) see is the misogyny, and all the other side (GamerGate) see is corruption hiding behind, or even siding with SJW's.

If you have distance enough from it to rather stay outside of it, you see that both sides are "toxic", to a degree.

If you are really removed from it, but somehow still engaged in it, you might find it interesting.
I find it interesting, but I am well aware of how disturbing it seems or even is.

The GamerGate started up with Zoe, but the SJW tied it in with the misogyny that Sarkeesian was met with.
Sure, Sarkeesian was met with decent counterpoints too, but a lot of those included misogyny, or things that could easily be interpreted as such.
Oh, and if you don't take my word for it, I frankly don't care, my point is simply that both sides is at fault.
No, bear with me a bit here, you might misunderstand me.
At fault, but not how you may think.
So how?
If your goal is to cut through the corruption, then ignore the bullshit and do something against it that is constructive!
Same if you are with the SJW or think you are:
Look at Vivian James, despite the comments that you may see surrounding it, it is actually a good example of what may be done.

Gamers like actual games, sex might seem to sell, but exaggerated sex and fanservice do not, it is just stupid.
Gamers care more for playability, replay value.
"Depression Quest"? Who'd like to play anything like that, really? I have been depressed, I know how it feels in reality.
Give me rather any 2D Metroid game, or a metroidvania with a femme or a furry as protagonist, and i'm far more happy, that is what I call a GAME.

.... Sorry for the rant.

Also, for a game reviewer to declare that "Gamers are dead" .... it is potential suicide, I mean, who are you reviewing for?

Quote from: TristramEvans;792839Sure, but thats only a problem if a mod comes in and censers them for not going with the crowd. They wouldnt have to respond to everybody, they could still say their piece. If thier worry is they wont be heard, well, thats not something Im too worried about. I believe in the freedom of speech, but not in the right to have others listen to you. Does it suck being the lone voice of reason in a mob of idiocy? Sure. Its a situation Im sure we've all experienced. But thats humanity. A few reasonable people and hordes and hordes of ignorant, self-absorbed morons. That will never change. But online your words are still there for any other person to common along and read. And one can always just go start a blog.

There's the right of other people to not listen, and the inability of people who want to listen to hear because of the noise. When does speech become noise preventing other speech, that's one of the tradeoffs.

Quote from: apparition13;792896There's the right of other people to not listen, and the inability of people who want to listen to hear because of the noise. When does speech become noise preventing other speech, that's one of the tradeoffs.

Thats solely an offline issue though, so doesnt pertain to what I said.

Quote from: TristramEvans;792829You can't. Its impossible to shout over a person online, there's nothing forcing anyone to read what anyone else writes.

A little late in response, but I agree. Comparing a real life public speaking disruption to an online forum discussion disruption is disengenuous. The two are not that alike at all.

Quote from: TristramEvans;792899Thats solely an offline issue though, so doesnt pertain to what I said.

Yes it does.

You are wrong, actually.
Consider 300+ comments, and 250+ is either trolling, misogynist, stupid or textspeak.
The remaining may be sensible, but a lot of their comments is wasted on the stupid, misogynist and trolling, leaving only a small fraction for the actual message they are trying to say, not to mention if the ones with misogynist comments claim they are SJW's when they aren't.

That is an effective drowning out, with no involvement from mods.
Sure, I probably exaggerates, but the point is that rubbish reasoning, forced defence, and trolling might easily drown out sensible comments.

Quote from: S'mon;792886What are SHARPS, and how are they able to beat up hundreds(?!) of Neo-Nazis? :confused:
Judging by Louis Theroux documentaries, I got the impression that all the Nazi Skinheads in southern California couldn't make a throng '20 deep'.

SkinHeads Against Racial Prejudice - an anti neo-Nazi movement that first came about in the early nineties on the East Coast. It was a part of the Punk/Alternative scene in Florida, Rhode Island, Massachusitts, and New York from what I remember back then.

Quote from: TristramEvans;792695This video is awesome...it's like if RPGPundit was a hot foreign chick

Awesome.

I seriously want to post a link to that at TBP.
(Would Get me banned though)

Quote from: The Ent;792911Awesome.

I seriously want to post a link to that at TBP.
(Would Get me banned though)

Clearly what this Syriagirl needs is a white guy to tell her she is brainwashed, what she should really be offended about, and should be on the side of the SJW instead.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;792917Clearly what this Syriagirl needs is a white guy to tell her she is brainwashed, what she should really be offended about, and should be on the side of the SJW instead.

Indeed...
They hate women - and people of colour, and of course especially women of colour - who don't "act like they're supposed to".

Quote from: TristramEvans;792899Thats solely an offline issue though, so doesnt pertain to what I said.

Signal to noise ratio does not necessarily involve sound.

Quote from: Catelf;792904Yes it does.

You are wrong, actually.
Consider 300+ comments, and 250+ is either trolling, misogynist, stupid or textspeak.
The remaining may be sensible, but a lot of their comments is wasted on the stupid, misogynist and trolling, leaving only a small fraction for the actual message they are trying to say, not to mention if the ones with misogynist comments claim they are SJW's when they aren't.

That is an effective drowning out, with no involvement from mods.
Sure, I probably exaggerates, but the point is that rubbish reasoning, forced defence, and trolling might easily drown out sensible comments.

Yeah, I a ready addressed that it can get buried in post before last, but one is still able to say their piece. That , to me, is enough. I understand some people might feel thier posts should be "important" and worthy of more attention than the morass of posts by idiots, but I dont personally see that as a free speech issue. One is still able to say whatever they want, and others can read it if they wish. Is it "drowned ouut" in that it can get buried amid other posts? Sure. But is it "drowned out" so that they cant say what they want t o say and exercize their freedom of speech? No, thats not possible, no matter how many other posters type in caps locks. Free Speech has to include everyone, even though everyone might mean an army of fools.

Quote from: apparition13;792924Signal to noise ratio does not necessarily involve sound.

But only sound can prevent signal. If the ratio is your sole concern, then I refer back to what I said about the human condition. I just dont see how that can be a free speech issue as one cannot alter the ratio without denying someone free speech. Free speech includes the morons, the trolls, and the degenerates. Thats the price. There are times Ive struggled with it (see the Hatred thread), but in the end I think its worth the price.

Quote from: Werekoala;792824The fact that you don't see the misogyny means that you're a misogynist.

/slowclap

Quote from: Sacrosanct;792917Clearly what this Syriagirl needs is a white guy to tell her she is brainwashed, what she should really be offended about, and should be on the side of the SJW instead.

Yeah, she's a female POC, but she's also crazier than a bag of cats. It's like having a cut-rate Alex Jones on your side.

Quote from: S'mon;792886What are SHARPS, and how are they able to beat up hundreds(?!) of Neo-Nazis? :confused:
Judging by Louis Theroux documentaries, I got the impression that all the Nazi Skinheads in southern California couldn't make a throng '20 deep'.

Sorry, mate a clarification: there were about 20 or 30 nazis there. West coast gangster slang vs. official military designation.