Quote from: Ghost Whistler;649760Whatever happened to Cinematic Unisystem?

Company went under.

Quote from: Piestrio;649773Company went under.

Eden Studios died? The website is still up and the facebook page seems lively and they had a Kickstarter back in October for All Flesh Must Be Eaten: Band of Zombies.

Eden Studios didn't quite go under but it's scaled back its operations dramatically from its heyday.

It is still cranking out product, albeit at a snail's pace. They got a bunch of Conspiracy X sourcebooks funded on Kickstarter, and they also funded a WWII supplement for AFMBE (this sounds like fun) with its latest update merely ten days ago.

A pity really, but I'm happy that they're managing to soldier on. Armageddon was one of the best games I never played. And I still hope to see Beyond Human one of these days, but I'm not holding my breath.

Quote from: The Butcher;649802Eden Studios didn't quite go under but it's scaled back its operations dramatically from its heyday.

It is still cranking out product, albeit at a snail's pace. They got a bunch of Conspiracy X sourcebooks funded on Kickstarter, and they also funded a WWII supplement for AFMBE (this sounds like fun) with its latest update merely ten days ago.

A pity really, but I'm happy that they're managing to soldier on. Armageddon was one of the best games I never played. And I still hope to see Beyond Human one of these days, but I'm not holding my breath.

Beyond Human will be their next kickstarter. The Conspiracies Sourcebook for ConX and Band of Zombies, the WW II supplement for AFMBE, will be released sometime within the next couple of months.

Eden made Army of Darkness? Now I feel bad for throwing them into same bucket as MWP.

Quote from: Rincewind1;649877Eden made Army of Darkness? Now I feel bad for throwing them into same bucket as MWP.

Yes. And IMHO it's quite a fun game, nothing like Cortex+.

Quote from: HombreLoboDomesticado;649896Yes. And IMHO it's quite a fun game, nothing like Cortex+.

I know, I have it. I never bothered to check who made it though, I got it as a gift from a buddy returning home.

Quote from: HombreLoboDomesticado;649867Beyond Human will be their next kickstarter. The Conspiracies Sourcebook for ConX and Band of Zombies, the WW II supplement for AFMBE, will be released sometime within the next couple of months.

ConX was very much, like it's inspiration, a product of it's time. Not sure that time still exists, even with the likes of David Icke to draw 'inspiration' from.

I don't regret buying MHR at all, and would probably have brought Annihilation. Civil War doesn't interest me at all, but that's the risk you take basing it on established universes.

I do regret inexplicably throwing out my MSHAG cards.

And lending out my DC Heroes first edition many years ago (I never forget, nor forgive!)

Don't know where this leaves the Cortex + book they've got planned.

I really like MSH, but we've already got the hardcore points-optimised superhero games (M&M3, HERO 6) and simple, fast adventure (MSH, ICONS) pretty well covered. From an existing RPG fan point of view, there's room for a game that does something else, rather than just retreading the same ground (Fans of which already have their own games), and the core approach - "So this is a game that lets you play superheroes in the Civil War era of comics" - is a really good one, and potentially very accessible to non-RPG players.

Did it work well enough? Well, evidently not. Given that sales would have been enough to keep the line going, the problem evidently isn't the game mechanics, because people aren't getting that far. The problem is getting people to pick up that first book, as always. It's not that non-RPG people don't want this Marvel RPG, it's that non-RPG people don't want any Marvel RPG.

Nobody outside the RPG "community" even gives a shit about the storygame "issue". As far as they're concerned, it's nerds arguing about stupid nerd bullshit.

Quote from: tunafish;649691well. Just got a 30-day ban on Big Purp for my MWP "good riddance to bad rubbish" post.

What the fuck did you expect? "Quality trolling sir, have an internets"? Complimentary blowjob from Shannon? Gold star on your profile, and re-plumping the cushions for your seat on the internet short bus?

Don't come bragging to us just because you're a cunt elsewhere on the internet.

Quote from: tunafish;649691well. Just got a 30-day ban on Big Purp for my MWP "good riddance to bad rubbish" post.

Gotta love their Mods.

The game was "Story-ish" & didn't translate well to many gamers (based on what I was reading across the interweb). Plot points? okay.

Grubbs had a better game (TSR's classic MSH) & maybe MWP ignored that legacy, unlike Kenson, who kept the DC Heroes mecha in his own game.

I'm glad Disney pulled the carpet from under MWP & it sends a clear message: our license trumps your fiddly game concept. Pay me or (bleep) off.

when I suggested Arc Dreams or Kenson or Fantasy Games Unlimited might do a better job with the license, a rpg.net mod banned me, profanity & all.

nice.

note: the Mod used the profanity.

Quote from: tunafish;649691well. Just got a 30-day ban on Big Purp for my MWP "good riddance to bad rubbish" post.

Gotta love their Mods.

The game was "Story-ish" & didn't translate well to many gamers (based on what I was reading across the interweb). Plot points? okay.

Grubbs had a better game (TSR's classic MSH) & maybe MWP ignored that legacy, unlike Kenson, who kept the DC Heroes mecha in his own game.

I'm glad Disney pulled the carpet from under MWP & it sends a clear message: our license trumps your fiddly game concept. Pay me or (bleep) off.

when I suggested Arc Dreams or Kenson or Fantasy Games Unlimited might do a better job with the license, a rpg.net mod banned me, profanity & all.

nice.

note: the Mod used the profanity.

Just to be clear, while Disney technically owns Marvel, all the business decisions by Marvel are still handled by Marvel. Makes more sense to be annoyed with Quesada than the Mouse.

Quesada? It'll probably be a nameless suit in charge of merchandise. They'll have looked at the sales of Spiderman toilet rolls and RPGs and cut the one that sold the least.

I don't know the facts of what happened (does anyone?) but it *seems* that Marvel renegotiated the deal and wanted more money, hence MWP had no choice but to drop the title? Seems a funny carry on, given that Marvel turn out films on a yearly basis these days and everything from beach towels to lunchboxes, figures and dvds are all potential money makers, and that it's been 10 years since the last RPG. I'd have thought that any money stream coming in is good, and it's all going towards the fat pot that keeps suits happy. PDFs have been good sellers since the line came out (good, but not great I guess) but they should have decent profit built in, more than the printed books?

Maybe it's what happened with the printing (or lack of, as getting hold of a printed book outside of the US has not been easy) that forced Marvels hand. Maybe we'll never know.

I can see a generic supers game based on the Cortex system being made though, and whilst I'm not a great fan of the Marvel game I'll buy it and maybe give it some more play time. When I looked at character sheets when the game came out they seemed sparse (what??? No stats??? Heresy!) and lacking in detail. Then I look at other games, and recall how long it takes to make a character in Hero or M&M, or even DC Heroes if not using the character generator and Marvel Heroic doesn't seem so bad, if somewhat vague in places.

And just when I think that I've not given it a fair crack of the whip I wonder if I'm competent with the system enough to run it as GM, and no, I'm not. I hope that any follow up game reads better and is easier to understand.

Quote from: APN;650184Quesada? It'll probably be a nameless suit in charge of merchandise. They'll have looked at the sales of Spiderman toilet rolls and RPGs and cut the one that sold the least.

I don't know the facts of what happened (does anyone?) but it *seems* that Marvel renegotiated the deal and wanted more money, hence MWP had no choice but to drop the title? Seems a funny carry on, given that Marvel turn out films on a yearly basis these days and everything from beach towels to lunchboxes, figures and dvds are all potential money makers, and that it's been 10 years since the last RPG. I'd have thought that any money stream coming in is good, and it's all going towards the fat pot that keeps suits happy. PDFs have been good sellers since the line came out (good, but not great I guess) but they should have decent profit built in, more than the printed books?

Maybe it's what happened with the printing (or lack of, as getting hold of a printed book outside of the US has not been easy) that forced Marvels hand. Maybe we'll never know.

I can see a generic supers game based on the Cortex system being made though, and whilst I'm not a great fan of the Marvel game I'll buy it and maybe give it some more play time. When I looked at character sheets when the game came out they seemed sparse (what??? No stats??? Heresy!) and lacking in detail. Then I look at other games, and recall how long it takes to make a character in Hero or M&M, or even DC Heroes if not using the character generator and Marvel Heroic doesn't seem so bad, if somewhat vague in places.

And just when I think that I've not given it a fair crack of the whip I wonder if I'm competent with the system enough to run it as GM, and no, I'm not. I hope that any follow up game reads better and is easier to understand.

There is such a notion as "hurting the image of the IP".

Quote from: Rincewind1;650187There is such a notion as "hurting the image of the IP".

I think the 90s proved that was the least of Marvel's worries.