Quote from: jeff37923;792961Point taken, but even you agree that it is in very bad taste.

Indeed! The FATAL comparison was deliberate.

Let me expand upon my annoyance a bit.

The artistry for the game Hatred looks good to me, the cutscenes do show that care was taken in crafting them. However, that same talent could have been applied to a game in which the action was much less personal and thus less offensive (and more commercially viable). You can still have the main character bloodily killing things, but making it about an armed nihilistic sociopath out to kill innocents strikes a chord amoungst people because it seems all too possible thanks to a corrupt hypersensitive news media. Have him kill orcs or zombies or anal-probing aliens instead so that a preferred intellectual distance is maintained.

Yes, I know that there are SJW shitheads out there who will claim that "orcs are black people", that "zombies are suburbanites", and "anal-probing aliens represent the government". Yet when they do, they tend to discredit themselves in the process.

Personally, I just don't like video games because they are too similar to choose-your-own adventure books, only allowing a set number of responses with few options for innovative Players. You only get true freedom of play with a GM and a tabletop RPG.

(Then why am I here? I was bored and watched the Hatred trailer on youtube. I find it a waste of talent and its premise is just plain fucked up. So I felt like saying something about it.)

Liked it better when it was called Postal twenty years ago.

Meh, some rescreening, and it'd make an awesome Punisher game.
I don't have any problems with the gore (well, beyond the fact my kids won't be playing this game! I will!), but I just don't see anyone getting ramped up to play a psycho mass murderer. Even GTA and Hitman have more sympathetic protagonists.

Anyone remember Postal, Manhunter or the "No Russian" mission?  This game isn't new, but it is honest.  Strip away every shred of possible good reason to slaughter innocent people and just show the stupidly obscene levels of violence and death in modern video games for what it is, murder porn.  Nothing to hide behind, not a speck of PC involved, just video game murder for the sake of video game murder.

Misogyny
Anti-social video game violence
Domestic terrorism
Anti-political correctness
Anti-video game industry
Anti-Hollywood
Anti-censorship
Reverse of any of the above

Pick your pet cause and run with it, because this game will fit your narrative.  

Interestingly, the game is in third person.

Quote from: JonWake;792978Liked it better when it was called Postal twenty years ago.

It is kinda funny to see the same reactions again. At least postal was supposed to involve demons taunting the player who had actually lost his mind, according to the devs, not that anyone figured that out.

Other than that... it's what people do anyway when given a consequence free world involving lots of weapons and combat mechanics. It's no worse than anything rated M out there now.

Quote from: CRKrueger;793007Anyone remember Postal, Manhunter or the "No Russian" mission?  This game isn't new, but it is honest.  Strip away every shred of possible good reason to slaughter innocent people and just show the stupidly obscene levels of violence and death in modern video games for what it is, murder porn.  Nothing to hide behind, not a speck of PC involved, just video game murder for the sake of video game murder.

Oddly, this actually makes the game more interesting to me as a mental exercise. I still don't have any desire to play it, but it kind of speaks to the power, even some degree of necessity of a narrative framework in which the PC is a relateable protagonist who has reasons for doing what s/he is doing. They needn't necessarily be altruistic or even terribly good reasons, just ones that make sense in whatever context the game is taking place in.

Take that away and you're left with Psycho Simulator 2014 and no one wanting to play it because most gamers aren't sociopaths.

Quote from: CRKrueger;793007Interestingly, the game is in third person.

Good point!

Quote from: CRKrueger;793007Anyone remember Postal, Manhunter or the "No Russian" mission?  This game isn't new, but it is honest.  Strip away every shred of possible good reason to slaughter innocent people and just show the stupidly obscene levels of violence and death in modern video games for what it is, murder porn.  Nothing to hide behind, not a speck of PC involved, just video game murder for the sake of video game murder.

Or Hotline Miami. Or SUPERHOT (Super. Hot. Super. Hot. Etc.)... Or Spec Ops : The Line... Or Bioshock... But those games actually do something with their premise (Even if it is just saying "hey so this is a bit of an odd hobby, isn't it?"), have opposing forces (if you're just killing people who don't fight back, it's just a reskinned Cookie Clicker), and tend to have really refined game mechanics (Hotline Miami's methods of desensitising you through the visuals, sound and pace, Spec Ops' deliberately boring gunplay).

Even Saint's Row says something interesting, in how it assumes the PC is just the same sort of psycho that players tend to be in open-world games, and runs with it.

This game just sounds like a shit controversy generator.

"Not on our store", says Valve.

This isn't really comparable to GamerGateGate, though - there was less actual game here (As opposed to just killing for the sake of it), and Valve do apparently have explicit content rules that this would have failed on.

Game will likely be purchasable in many other locations, if you're really into this sort of thing.

I was actually brought to this forum by this game. I made a post in RPG.net's thread on it calling out all the people for comparing the dev to neo-nazis and talking about how banning Hatred would give GG ammunition. I was banned immediately and came here.

Honestly, I'm mildly interested. It'll be a nice rest from games that hand out "ends justify the means" bullshit that gives me a clear (so clear, that it's transparent) pass to commit mass murder. Personally, I find preachy self righteous murderers to be more annoying characters than outright insane people. I'll probably pick it up, give it a day or two and then move on to something else. It may be nothing but GTA minus everything but the violence, but that also means it'll be pretty hard to fuck up.

And judging by the pics and trailer it looks decently polished.

You can tell here who actually played original Postal, and who's just drawing from their degree in Stuff Guy In The Pub Told Me.

Because if you did, you'd remember that it's actually a bloody hard game. Partially because of asinine controls, but on most of the maps I played (all 3 of them, I never got past the parade stage), on 2 there were more cops than civilians.

There's an absence of opposition shown in the trailer, but if you pause for a moment, you visibly see people dressed in cops' uniforms, and I'm betting dollars to peanuts they will shoot at you in normal game. And of course they showcase the brutal fatalities, because the game's obviously going after the gore genre audiences.

It's not a game I'll play (for the same reason I don't watch Saw films - gore alone doesn't do it for me), but if someone's into a relaxing evening of spilling guts, I'd much prefer them to do that in confines of their homes, rather than going out on the street with same intent.

And yes, let's face it - there are plenty of games and films with just as flimsy excuses to show buckets of gore. I'd definitely not hold anything against someone who plays this.

Quote from: CRKrueger;793007Anyone remember Postal, Manhunter or the "No Russian" mission?  This game isn't new, but it is honest.  Strip away every shred of possible good reason to slaughter innocent people and just show the stupidly obscene levels of violence and death in modern video games for what it is, murder porn.  Nothing to hide behind, not a speck of PC involved, just video game murder for the sake of video game murder.

It was never a case of "modern", or rather - it always was there. There were brutal arcade games (Chiller), there were games much more brutal on home PCs (I remember playing Blood when I was like, 8 I think, under supervision of an adult no less as it took time during IT lessons. I was scared shitless of it, but it still gave unparalleled cutting-limbs-off engine), except the graphics were worse so it didn't stand out as much because they were vomiting pixel blood.

Quote from: Novastar;792708You will need to confirm your age, to watch the Trailer
...holy shit. :eek:
What the fuck is this shit? It's like Jack Thompson's "murder simulator" actually got made.

Even the fucking Punisher limits himself to criminals. That's what makes him an anti-hero you can follow. This seems like "Mass Murderer: The Game!"...

:jaw-dropping:

Ever play Postal? Same premise, more or less, though more tongue in cheek. I actually own it, and got bored pretty fast once the novelty of the shock wore off.

I'll pass. As someone who cuts people open for a living, context means a lot to me.

You the know the fact that Hatred got kick off of steam doesn't bold well video game players as a whole.  Not to mention it is hypocriticial of Valve to ban the game when they slave simulators in their store.  

So Valve your telling me your fine with a game where you get to load a large population of black people into a wooden boat so they can be sold off for slavery, but a game about a mass murderer is just too far?  Really?

I am agnostic, but for Christ's sake Valve.  Your getting just as bad as OBS when it came to the gamergate card game made by GRIM.

Edit:  If anyone wants to know what in the hell I am talking about here is a link to EventStatus.  Just skip to 8:15 to right to the Hatred bit.