You gotta understand how few people are really into reading rules anymore.

Some friends of mine, adults (25-44), were playing a game of Monopoly, first time they had in ages, had been for days, and, since they knew I was a 'gamer', they asked me what might be going wrong. I came over and looked over the board and it didn't make any sense, and everyone had piles of money, because they'd all circled the board so many times.

Turns out they were doing a total mishmash of rules. I can't remember all the nonsensical stuff they were doing but there was plenty. "You can only build on a property if you land on it" was probably the main slowdown, along with the idea that 'trading' was gauche in some way, and many properties were unpurchased because they didn't think much of many of the properties (wouldn't even bid under the mortgage value, even).

I tried to straighten things out a little by pointing at the rulebook...not sure I did much good.

I actually really like Monopoly. But then, I think root canals aren't all that bad either. I agree that taking away the paper money removes a wonderful tactile element of the game.

Quote from: Benoist;440785This mindset is pure bullshit and it needs to die.

You're the sort of guy who would have protested against the opening double-step for pawns in chess aren't you, and argued for the addition of dice?

Quote from: Peregrin;440853Fuuuck I hate that stupid "They're busy Americans so they don't have time for this shit" attitude.  People. Learn. To. Make. Time. Christ.
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Not to mention, people spend hours playing shit like Call of Duty online, or grinding away in Pokemon.  Their attention isn't gone, it's just been turned elsewhere.

This has been a rant of mine for a while now...
People around me have this fetish for telling everyone how completely overwhelmed and 'busy' they are... but when I figure out how they're actually spending their time... they aren't fucking 'busy'... it's just a word that means, "don't ask me to do anything I don't want to do because I'd rather be on Facebook."

Quote from: Benoist;440866Why you hate Monopoly. (appreciate the irony of the link applied to different contexts)

Great read. Posted on facebook for all my pussy non-Monopoly-loving friends.

Quote from: Peregrin;440752More misguided crap from dumbshit businessmen who think that integrating the popular socialization tools of younger generations with older mediums is going to somehow "save" them.

No, sorry, video-games are in.  Putting a computer on top of a Monopoly board is not going to make it sell any better.

I dunno, how shitty would Dark Tower have been without the computer centerpiece?  

Quote from: Caesar Slaad;440768Does it come with fake investment ponzi schemes and taxpayer subsidized bank bailouts? That would really modernize it!

Your internets are in the mail.

Quote from: Benoist;440866Why you hate Monopoly. (appreciate the irony of the link applied to different contexts)

Nah... I already knew the stuff in that article... the 'real' rules are quicker... but even then I don't think it's a fun game. The best thing about it is the classic design... the toys... elements that a better game might make use of.

Quote from: Simlasa;441069This has been a rant of mine for a while now...
People around me have this fetish for telling everyone how completely overwhelmed and 'busy' they are... but when I figure out how they're actually spending their time... they aren't fucking 'busy'... it's just a word that means, "don't ask me to do anything I don't want to do because I'd rather be on Facebook."

In practice, this has been my experience too.

Computer-aided boardgames were the rage in the 80s.   I see no reason that they shouldn't add comps to modern board games if it enhances the game or speeds up the play.

Quote from: Spinachcat;441124Computer-aided boardgames were the rage in the 80s.   I see no reason that they shouldn't add comps to modern board games if it enhances the game or speeds up the play.

>in the 80s
>80s fad

I (totally) found the problem here.

(Forseriously, though) It's fine if it enhances gameplay.  I don't see how the computer in this adds some new dynamic to the game.  Other than playing the game for you.  It's not a creative new take on board-games, it's just lazy toy/game design.

So what's wrong with lazy toy/game design? The fact of the matter is many people no longer can count well enough to handle money, as anyone who's tried to hire a cashier can tell you. Even taking 10% is major challenge for well over half the population (rather why people ignored that 10% rule for mortgages).

So, their choices are to either let Monopoly die, or try to repackage it in a way that keeps the license selling. Considering how little effort it took to put a computer in, the risk/reward isn't bad here.

Somehow my gut tells me it's not going to help Monopoly sell any better than it already does.

When they make Steelers Monopoly with Myron Copes voice coming out of the computer tower, I'll buy it.

Quote from: danbuter;441170[strike]Steelers[/strike] Packers Monopoly

Fix'd.