Quote from: GRIM;751526IMO it wouldn't really have worked then, it would have been too overwrought.

Too overwrought, or not controversial enough?

Honestly, even with the description of the rules provided, the game doesn't come off as people misappropriating identities for social currency, but instead about people applying labels to others in order to denigrate them.

Instead of "lying for attention on the internet, the game" you've ended up with "bigotry and name-calling, the game."

Munchkin works because it comments on behaviors and embraces puns. Were it to instead have focused on the types of nerds it would have fallen flat, and come off as divisive. Gloom works because it embraces the dark comedy of fictional,  archetypal and flawed characters living through and then dying from absurdly grim circumstances.

Even if you had hit your target message, there isn't enough nuance or sensitivity to show that you aren't conflating your 'satire' of people's bad behaviors with 'legitimate' social issues.

Only judging from the cards available in preview, I can only assume you also showed a lack of imagination by not embracing the absurd. You had an opportunity to present the social statuses on the cards with ludicrous obviously fictional social statuses, which would be more interesting, humorous, and less divisive.

I know you think you've been clever and everyone's missing the point, but you actually just come off as someone who's either intentionally controversial and divisive, or petty and lacking in self awareness.

Quote from: GRIM;751488I know I said I wouldn't comment any more, but I'll just leave THIS here.

Here is the link to the World Goth Fair in Second Life , all proceeds go to the Sophie Lancaster Foundation.

http://worldgothfair.wordpress.com/

Quote from: Zeea;751471I'm very aware, and have discussed my position before on other sites, but would rather not get into it again. Let's just say I'm pretty sure she doesn't care for me now.

FWIW, I actually have a lot of respect for you on that angle.  I don't agree with the level of activism that you like to see, but I know you're a lot more invested in it than I am, so rock on I guess.  But so far you're the only person I know who actually calls her out on that crap.  Most of the other "SJW crowd" seems to turn a blind eye to her vicious crimes because they're political allies.  And worse the mods have sanctioned you for bringing it up, when it's very relevant.  If someone's soliciting money from me, I'd like to know just what they did that flies in the face of what they are trying to sell.

What she's doing?  It would be like me trying to come off as an anti-slavery advocate and make money writing books on the evils of slavery while owning and abusing slaves.  To quote Jesse Pinkman, "That's bullshit yo."

Quote from: Simon Owen;751481I wouldn't be surprised if many of the SJW's now on the left wouldn't have been the kind of people on the right persecuting the Jews in 1930s Germany or blacks in 1960s America. I don't think it's a matter of politics necessarily , its a matter of feeling self-important and wanting to be morally superior over other people. They want to be on the ' right side ' and then they can use that as a stick to beat other people with.

Herzl would disagree with you, and he never knew the Nazi's; nor probably would King, who blamed the silent majority.

Quote from: Rincewind1;751518I do gotta give GRIM his due, that he certainly brings circus around with him.

He certainly does, and if not for this this circus, how many would know he even existed? I wouldn't.

Quote from: Adric;751534I know you think you've been clever and everyone's missing the point, but you actually just come off as someone who's either intentionally controversial and divisive, or petty and lacking in self awareness.

Well, he DID say Harlan Ellison is his hero.

And you've just described HE to a T for the last 25 years or so.

Quote from: Warthur;751517Not really.

For example, making up jokes based on real mental illnesses just seems crass, whereas if you really wanted to poke fun at the way people discuss these things in internet culture you could junk cards like Depressed/Bipolar/Autistic/etc. and replace them with "Self-Diagnosed With A Fashionable Disorder".

After all, it's not people who actually have those conditions which are the problem, and some tumblr and other online communities are really helpful support groups for those people. At the same time, people who latch onto those diagnoses because they're fashionable excuses for being rude (as I have seen people do with Asperger's) are a great example of internet users talking like they want to help out a marginalised group but actually hurting them by trying to piggyback on their issues for cool points.

If you want to satirise tumblr people who take this stuff too far, make the cards about the behaviours you object to, not the people they claim to be standing up for.

HE IS NOT MAKING FUN OF REAL MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES!  He is making fun of the tumblr and social justice assholes who make shit up in order to get attention.  He is making fun of real issues.  He is making fun of the assholes who twist those real issues like a parasite in order to make themselves feel special.

Tumblr is the last fucking place you want to go to if you have mental health issue.  99.9999% of these people are not experts and are just spewing shit out of their mouths.  There are better places and better people to talk to in real life that can set you up to the right track.

Quote from: Snowman0147;751641There are better places and better people to talk to in real life that can set you up to the right track.

Exactly! Go to Tangency and get some vibes.

Quote from: Dodger;751642Exactly! Go to Tangency and get some vibes.

I was actually talking about a actual doctor and real life support groups that can help you deal with your very real issues.

Quote from: Snowman0147;751643I was actually talking about a actual doctor and real life support groups that can help you deal with your very real issues.

Don't worry, his tongue is big enough for your pee hole too.

Loathe as I am to give Ettin money or credit, but this is fucking hilarious, and well worth all 59 pennies.

Quote from: Snowman0147;751641HE IS NOT MAKING FUN OF REAL MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES!

Well, it's the middle of the evening; I presume he's having dinner at the moment. The product that he wrote, though, yeah, that's making fun of people with real mental conditions.

Edit:  That was to Old Geezer.  Not to Ladybird.  Just want to clarify that.

Edit:  Deleted insult because it turns out Old Geezer wasn't insulting me.  He was insulting the other guy.

Quote from: Ladybird;751658Loathe as I am to give Ettin money or credit, but this is fucking hilarious, and well worth all 59 pennies.

I find it very off putting that these two guys are using a legitimate storefront as a platform to continue their little bitchfest.  It speaks very badly of our industry that this is happening.

*edit*  And if you're gonna sell something to "get back at him" Paul, at least have the guts to use your real name.  The fact that you actually spent a significant amount of time making this shows that you do in fact care, and are no better than him.  It's one thing to act the way you do on your own blog, or even TBP, but don't hijack DTRPG because you think you're funny.

Congrats on that.

Quote from: Ladybird;751658Well, it's the middle of the evening; I presume he's having dinner at the moment. The product that he wrote, though, yeah, that's making fun of people with real mental conditions.

If you focus on the cards themselves which yes they do have poor wording it does look like that.  Though if you look at GRIM's intentions, history with the social justice crowd, and how people love to rip him to shreds in the big purple you will begin to see the greater context.

Grim wasn't doing it to hurt anyone with real issues.  At least that is not his intention.  He was focusing on social justice warriors who self describe, or make up mental illnesses to get attention which is a far more greater insult to people with real mental health issues.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;751665I find it very off putting that these two guys are using a legitimate storefront as a platform to continue their little bitchfest.  It speaks very badly of our industry that this is happening.

*edit*  And if you're gonna sell something to "get back at him" Paul, at least have the guts to use your real name.  The fact that you actually spent a significant amount of time making this shows that you do in fact care, and are no better than him.  It's one thing to act the way you do on your own blog, or even TBP, but don't hijack DTRPG because you think you're funny.

Congrats on that.

IMO, both are cashing in; I wonder how much they are making?