http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?745940-Chris-Kluwe-spent-last-night-defending-trans-women-from-brutal-attacks-by-gamers

So what is this all about? Is there another side the story?

Quote from: Nexus;807875http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?745940-Chris-Kluwe-spent-last-night-defending-trans-women-from-brutal-attacks-by-gamers

So what is this all about? Is there another side the story?

An anecdotal claim with no proof is what that is. And if you ask for some kind of proof, you'll be harassed and banned. So its something to dismiss offhand.

Can you show that to people who are not signed into rpg.net?

Quote from: Snowman0147;807886Can you show that to people who are not signed into rpg.net?

The OP:

Quote from: Bootleg GirlOver the last few days, GamerGate has stepped up the transphobia side of their harassment to arguably one of their main points. I don't want to start a second GG thread, that's not what this post is about, but just for context, GG operations have included trying to flood an anti-suicide trans hotline with calls, targeting teens with specific harassment who they judge to be suicidal, and doxxing a trans woman who exposed their links to pedophilia. While a ton of people have rallied to the aid of the trans community in this - the Literally Whos, aka the cis women targeted by GG first, Arthur Chu - the person who I really want to single out is Chris Kluwe. Former Vikings punter, made all that noise basically sacrificing his career to fight homophobia in the NFL. I'd never seen him speak out on trans issues until last night, when he joined a number of us trying to talk a trans game developer out of a very public suicide attempt.

Chris is an important figure because he absolutely exemplifies the toxicity of the mindset that many of us raised as geek boys grew up with. Guys who are skilled at sports are "jocks," they're meatheads, and most of all, they're hetero manly boys who "take" all the women. They hate us for being different. I bought into all that shit, and it _was never true._

Quote from: TristramEvans;807874See, I associate the 60s with actual activism. Human rights marches, anti-war protests, and feminism back when it was something I supported 100%

You are right, I was making a cheap quip. I think that a lot of this SJW pearl clutching is slactivism where the protestors can feel good about themselves without any true effort from them.

Quote from: jeff37923;807896You are right, I was making a cheap quip. I think that a lot of this SJW pearl clutching is slactivism where the protestors can feel good about themselves without any true effort from them.

It's the moral equivalent of doing nothing more than wearing a peace sign in the late 60s and early 70s.

Quote from: Bren;807897It's the moral equivalent of doing nothing more than wearing a peace sign in the late 60s and early 70s.

I went to High School in Santa Maria, California near where the Casmalia Toxic Waste Superfund site is. If you were strapped for cash and wanted to score some good pot, you would go out there and hang out with the hippie protestors (hippies always had the best pot back then) and they would get you stoned for free out of protestor solidarity. Now it did not matter that work was actually being funded and accomplished to clean up the site and the protests just got in the way of the clean-up job, the hippies were sticking it to the man!

These SJWs and their crap about GamerGate being an emotionally toxic environment are just as myopic as those hippies at Casmalia were. They cannot see that they are fighting for the wrong side with the SJW's because they believe they ARE STICKING IT TO THE MAN. :rolleyes:

Quote from: TristramEvans;807889The OP:

Thanks!

Quote from: jeff37923;807900I went to High School in Santa Maria, California near where the Casmalia Toxic Waste Superfund site is.

Wasn't the Casmalia Toxic Waste protests circa 1985 and later? I'm suprised people in California were still calling people hippies in 1985. It sounds anachronistic.

Quote from: Bren;807905Wasn't the Casmalia Toxic Waste protests circa 1985 and later? I'm suprised people in California were still calling people hippies in 1985. It sounds anachronistic.

So were the protestors, so the shoe fit.

As a person who sympathize with gamergate people I can say I had never heard of that.  At worst it could be asshole trolls posing as gamergate despite the fact that is a major taboo which would expel those assholes from the gamergate movement.  Yes gamergate has rules and breaking them means your no longer part of the gamergate movement.  Rules such as don't harass, don't doxx, and all that good shit that makes you a polite member of internet society.  At middle these are asshole trolls not disguising themselves and the social justice crowd just believe it is gamergate.  Best case is every thing is a lie.

While I don't really have much of a dog in this fight (Honestly, I barely know what the Hell people are fighting so intensely about) I think the rpg.net policy on the matter is ridiculous. Allowing one side of the argument while aggressively punishing anyone who so much as implies they hold the wrong position is truly a dick move as is dubbing something that, at the end of the day is pretty damn minor a "Hate Group" is posturing for Social Justice cred, nothing more.

But its their site and they can run it how they want. But that doesn't mean I have to like it.

That is the thing.  These social justice warriors have the media on their side so they get the ability to shut down the opposing force and slander them all they want.  RPG.net is just one more media outlet for them to use.

Though to be fair gamergate does have supporters.  Mainly youtube users, people who dig for truth, game developers, and honest game critics.  Total Biscuit is one of the most highly rated game critic and reviewer in the internet as we all know it.  The man is brutally honest and had refused bribes from publishers countless of times.  He tries to make his reviews as unbiased as possible and if he does have a biased he will flat out tell you at the start of his video.  That man has more integrity, love, and respect from the gaming community than most gaming review sites combine.  He is voted number one critic in steam and won a award.  You know what side he is on?  Gamergate.

Fact is that man isn't stupid and he does dig deeper than most reviewers are willing to do.  If a game sucks he is going to explain it to you why the game sucks and how it could be better.  He wouldn't had chosen to side with gamergate without a damn good reason.

This bit of the aforementioned thread caught my attention.

Quote from: Carmen;18617385Is the game developer ok?

Quote from: Bootleg Girl;18617533I believe she is still alive. She's not okay, and hasn't been for a long time - she needs mental health and medical help, which was made impossible by transphobic, pre-GG trolls targeting her crowdfunding business and getting her funds confiscated by IndieGoGo because she used the name she goes by and not her legal name.

Once you get past the slanted reportage, it sounds like this person was not being hounded because they are transgender via GG as much as it looks like they were hounded because they were trying to defraud crowdfunders using IndieGoGo. If we had some actual names, maybe this could be investigated properly and not become another slanderous clickbait hit piece.

EDIT: In full disclosure, Bootleg Girl may be better known as Something Else, who I do not believe is a very credible source.

Quote from: jeff37923;807921In full disclosure, Bootleg Girl may be better known as Something Else, who I do not believe is a very credible source.

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Well, that's all I needed to know. That dishonest, self-loathing, mentally disturbed freak is pretty much the poster child for dishonest slactivism for the sake of attention.