I just checked in with Kickstarter comments. And the bad news seems to keep coming.

More people with packages sent to the wrong address. And some more just entirely missing in the first place.

They kickstarted another game before finishing the fulfillment on Endure The Stars. And they heavily advertised it to the Endure The Stars backers.

Well given all of the troubles and chaos. There has been statements by those who backed the new Kickstarter that: They will likely be canceling their backing of the new one. Because of lack of faith in the company. For the shoddy way they handled Endure The Stars..

New update dropped for US customers just a few minutes ago.

US Customs held the product for 6 days. And it is now being sent to the Chicago. Where the packages will be assembled for this side of the world.

Their projected time estimnate now is: Second week in April for packages in US, Canada, Mexico, and Brazil to start arriving to the backers.

The last two days have been crazy for the Kickstarter. And I held off posting here until I had a definitive answer to the big question.

My package has been sent today. April 12th. It is scheduled for delivery on the 18th.

I found out this information by checking my UPS account for things coming in. It's finally in their hands. So not knowing is over.

However, that doesn't change the fact that the box for the main game is too small. Way too small for actual storage of the game. And that other backers have damaged figures to show for it.

Once I have the package in my hands. I will know what type of damage there is to the contents. So the waiting can start all over again for them to send whatever replacement parts I might need.

From the sound of it, I'm going to have to buy another bag from Battlefoam to store this game.

Oh? One more thing about the package? It is 19 pounds.

I got the package tonight. And it was every bit as heavy as I expected it to be.

I will spend much of tomorrow going through the individual boxes and looking for damage. Though externally, there doesn't seem any yet.

Yes. This Kickstarter delivered. It is here. Now the work begins.

I got my stuff. The packing of the box was terrible. No padding. The game boxes were loose in the box that contained them. And there was only this little strip of pillow padding put in with it. The potential for damage to the contents was huge. But fortunately none of the internal boxes were damaged.

But I can't stress how incompetently the shipper they chose for delivery to US backers did with packing of the package. Such abject carelessness is completely inexcuseable.

The shipping place they contracted with is called ShipBob. It operates out of Chicago.

Internal damage fortunately was light. But according to the Kickstarter comments section. I was one of the lucky ones.There were plenty of others whose boxes and contents were completely crushed to obliteration.

But now to my review of the game.

The rulebook, which they gave a PDF replacement of was incomplete. To the point it caused major confusion to the players.

One of the weapon cards I actually have to find a printer who does playing cards to print a corrected replacement. And all I was given in the meantime was a PDF version of said card. So I have to do the running myself to get the card printed. If I am to have the game completely playable at all.

The expansion sets were poorly packed. With no instructions included on how to use the units they contained.

For example. in the Cybernetic Onslaught set, The ability cards for the the different gender versions of the Technician are not marked as to which card goes to which version of the Technician. And they did not include a book of the extra game scenarios. As they had advertised on the Kickstarter.

The Gender Variant Crew Member set only has the Dashboards for the characters, the plastic miniatures, and the miniature bases. No rules, reference, or clear markings on the character ability cards as to which they actually belong to.

The Primus Boss pack only had the Primus itself, it's action card deck, its Dashboard, and a couple of extra tokens.

The final box? The Kickstarter Crew box? It contained all of the Kickstarter exclusive units. Which included a whole new exclusive enemy faction for Kickstarter members only. And a bunch of extra floating robots.

The main box was overstuffed. Just as other Kickstarter members had said theirs arrived being. And I did have some miniature damage. Plastic miniatures that were bent and deformed. Which I had to give a hot water bath get them to assume their proper shape.

I bet you are wondering how the game plays? Well so do I. It's going to be awhile before I can afford to have the new rulebook printed. And it will be longer until I can find a company that will be able to print the replacement weapon card. So no. The game isn't playable yet. And it won't be for quite some time.

But the good news? i don't have to send for replacement damaged parts. I, at least, missed that bullet.

Do they really expect to sell this game in the condition it is in? I don't picture any reputable game store carrying such a shoddily put together product.

So did you ever play this game?

Quote from: Dumarest;964185So did you ever play this game?

Not yet. I am still saving bit by bit to be able to afford printing the replacement rulebook and the mis-printed weapon card.

I'm still looking for a printer that prints playing cards. That will do that card for me.

It's looking like I may have to have a big batch of them done. To have them done at all. And if I do that, it means I'll likely sell the extras on Ebay.

I managed to locate a playing card printer willing to print the mis-printed weapon card. And I just sent them the files for the front and back today.

I have no idea what they will charge me. Or what they will quote me at this point. But I need two of those cards to make the game complete.

The replacement rulebook isn't going to be a problem. I will just have that printed off at the local FedEx Office.

Can't you just make some index cards at home?

Okay. I am posting this update. Grimlord Games is going something new.

They are launching Endure The Stars 1.5.

This edition contains all of the fixes for the problems that appeared in the game the first time around. New rulebook, new tiles, new counters, new updated card decks, new game boxes with actual storage trays for your minis.

For the people who had backed the game's initial version. They are offering upgrade packs. Which allows getting all the nice new shiney stuff. Without having to buy the figures all over again.

The price I had to pay for this is far less than I would have paid for getting the replacement cards and rulebook printed on my own. So this is a really good deal.

I plopped $76 US on this. Before shipping. Which was certainly within my budget. It's an expense I was prepared for.

Shouldn't they have given you the replacement material for free?  I'm surprised you'd want to go in for more money now.

Quote from: Dumarest;997966Shouldn't they have given you the replacement material for free?  I'm surprised you'd want to go in for more money now.

I would have loved for them to have given the replacement material for free. I truly would have.

But the production on that material has a serious cost behind it. Considering the extent they have gone.

They have redone the board tiles and all of the counters. Redone the card decks completely. Nearly every componant but the miniatures have been redone for this new version of the game.

They are not just providing upgrades for the core game. But also for every expansion set that was introduced in the first Kickstarter. They are even providing new game and expansion boxes. With trays to accomodate every miniature.

But I also mentioned in my previous post that I had a budget in mind. A maximum I was willing to pay for the replacement parts. That if it were beyond what I was willing to pay. That I would not. But they nailed what I could afford. Dead on. So I'm not at all upset by it.

Also. This new Kickstarter will have stretch goals. New stuff that didn't exist at all in the previous version of the game. That means that I will get stuff well beyond just the replacement parts I'm expecting.

I thought long and hard about taking this plunge. But at the end? I'm good with it.

Is this there first game?  

Are you recommending them or not?  I'm not entirely sure from your last post.

This was the company's very first game. The prior Kickstarter was their first as a company.

I would recommend the Endure The Stars 1.5 Kickstarter for people new to the whole thing. It corrects the issues I had with the first edition of the game. It's a better put together product.

If you liked Space Hulk. You will like this game.

I canceled my pledge this morning.

As things developed: It just looked like the company was intent on soaking more and more money from the customers they had short-changed in the first place.

They should have provided the new rulebook and corrected cards to the backers of the first Kickstarter at no charge in physical form. That would have been the right thing to do. And it would have generated quite a bit of good will.

But they didn't do that. They provided PDFs of the corrected versions. Not physical accessories to actually make the game complete.

But I do not want to spend $82 on a re-skin of a game that should have been done right in the first place. Upgrade packs or not. I just don't really want to give them any more of my money.

I did the long running to try and find a card printer who would print the replacement cards myself. And that ended up being just a complete mess. And way too prohibitively expensive on the consumer end. Same with the full color rulebook.