I'm really, really tempted, though I'll likely hardly ever get to play.

How does AT-43 play and are the Red Blok or Therians as cool as they appear to be?

On the new plastic Confrontation line, again, how does it play and are the new plastic figs up to snuff?

I just don't have the time to collect and paint an army, much as I love Warmachine, and since I won't get to play often I'm after something that will look nice even without my crummy efforts, so any info from anyone in the know much appreciated.

I love AT-43. It's pricey, but man--the figures just come right out of the box. The rules are simple, but involving. It relies more on unit cohesion than some other wargames I've played. Even with the obliquely-translated French rules, it's not hard to figure out. The Red Blok is at least as cool as they appear. The Therians are almost as cool as they appear (really--they're very cool, but I'm a little irritated with them at the moment, because my son plays them better than I do.)

I didn't play Confrontation before, so I can't compare it with the old edition. But it's cool and fast, also, and reportedly not much different. I don't think the figures look quite as good as the AT-43 figures. But that may only be because  of the insanely high standard they set with the appearance of their old models.

I reconciled myself to my crappy painting skills a long time ago. But the reason I never played Confrontation--especially after the beautiful Cadwallon came out, was because I really couldn't overcome the intimidation of putting my crappy paint on their great figs. I know that's stupid, but in a world with so many games . . .

Anyhoo--I'm having fun with them, and I don't have to paint them. If you don't mind spending the extra money, AT-43 is definitely rewarding enough  to play without having to go hip deep into it. A few models and the rulebook will do. The scenarios are fun and have good replay. I think it suits what it sounds like you would enjoy.

I didn't get into it myself, but I *love* the AT-43 models, the Red Blok in particular. I want them for Stargrunt, they're a perfect match.

Thing is, at least hereabouts AT-43 is massively unsuccessful. The LGS is having a clearance sale as we speak. Several online dealers are doing discount sales as well.

So, now is either the time to get into it because it's cheap... or to skip it because nobody plays.

Eh... I should be getting a nice fat cheque from Wizards soon, so it would be churlish not to plough some of that money back into the gaming industry.

AT-43 was originally going to be Dust, then the deal fell through. Now that AT-43 is going to be distributed by the same outfit handling Dust, they're going to do Dust with AT-43 rules, completely compatible. I think that's going to be pretty groovy.

Dust is a weird, alternative, super-science WWII.

Quote from: stu2000AT-43 was originally going to be Dust, then the deal fell through. Now that AT-43 is going to be distributed by the same outfit handling Dust, they're going to do Dust with AT-43 rules, completely compatible. I think that's going to be pretty groovy.

Dust is a weird, alternative, super-science WWII.

Sorry I don't quite get ^this.  Dust is more or less a Risk/Axis and Allies style game where the current AT-43 is a mini based combat game.   I'm not getting how they are going to make them compatible without entirely changing the scope of one of the games.

They are going to do a minis-based combat game set in the world of Dust.

I don't think the board game will go away. I think they just mean to cross-pollinate.

I figured that was the case, just creating more settings using their existing rules.  They aren't changing the existing Dust into something else.

Speaking of plastic, I just got Tide of Plastic, I mean Iron. I wouldn't have come up with that one myself--it's a ruse intended to graduate this friend of mine from Memoir 44 to something more serious, and he refuses to play with chits.

We've only played one bleh scenario so far, but it seems to be a good game. A little bit of M44, a little bit of Squad Leader, very high production values. Well, for eighty bucks they better be. Most expensive game I ever bought.