Quote from: Future Villain Band;787257Holy shit, his name was Phil Fish.

Back when shows were called Barney Miller. But that's about the only Phil Fish I could care about anyways also.

Quote from: mcbobbo;787237Again there are some parallels here.

Pundit may be villainized by some in a parallel way that follows the same sort of pseudo intellectual media whore logic. Having been pigeonholed, nobody wants to hear about anything else from them except more of the same - like has been celebrities spouting their famous lines on the Gong Show. Are you seeing some other parallels?

Some creatures on the internet will decry being "symbolized" as internet villains but they got there because they are new media whores; they will continue to fan the negatives because it promotes them on whatever ranking mechanism they hold dear.

On that topic, I watched the Anita Sarkeesian's videogame tropes videos. She did gather a lot of interesting and inciteful examples, and presented a lot of it in video data, of the sort Id expect of someone putting together a strong argument for something. But the arguments just aren't there - and they don't need to be if the goal is just to generate much, much more attention from engineered, snowballing controversy.

And that's where the parallel stops. I haven't seen pseudo intellectual media whore logic in Pundit's responses - have you?

Much of those videos are made of lies that she tries to manipulate the watcher of those youtube videos.

Hitman for example has her showing you killing two strippers and messing around with their corpses.  What she doesn't show you is that it is the WRONG WAY TO PLAY HITMAN.  In the game if you kill a civilian you get penalize by your score, but killing people wantonly can draw attention towards you and you won't handle the fire power that people will bring towards you.  The smartest approach and what you should had done was sneak pass the strippers without them noticing you.

Another lie is Dinosaur Adventure (could be wrong with the name).  She complains that Nintendo change the game from female only protagonist to a Star Fox game in which the heroine is now a damsel in distress.  That is actually not true.  The game in its original form before it got release was actually a team of two people.  The heroine fox and some other guy.  Guess what heroine fox gets to do.  She gets to save dinosaur princess from captivity.

The point I am making is that Anita is a proven liar that will manipulate people to get what she wants.  The reason she has no strong arguments is because she is using faulty data and false evidence to stir peoples' emotions and get them outrage.  People had put her claims and evidence through peer review and found out how fake they really are.

Quote from: Lynn;787300I haven't seen pseudo intellectual media whore logic in Pundit's responses - have you?

What's the functional different between 'being a media whore' and railing against the Swine?  Do both not put you in basically the same camp?  Where you become less a person with strong opinions and more a concept worthy of group revulsion?

Are not both "being famous wrong" from the enemy PoV?

Quote from: mcbobbo;787325What's the functional different between 'being a media whore' and railing against the Swine?  Do both not put you in basically the same camp?

Pundit appears to be swine-railing because he loves the game, and not because he wants to bolster his fame.

Quote from: mcbobbo;787325Where you become less a person with strong opinions and more a concept worthy of group revulsion?

When the group self appointed leaders determines knocking you down is to more to their benefit than a cost, and turn you into their imaginary villain / punching bag / concept.

I think what you are saying is that person-as-concept is unfair and wrong, and hanging a label on a group for identification purposes looks very similar. I agree they look similar, and person-as-concept is wrong. They are not the same thing though.

Quote from: mcbobbo;787325Are not both "being famous wrong" from the enemy PoV?

I guess from media whore perspective it could look the same superficially -  until they bothered to check to see Pundit isn't tracking all of his keywords, click-thrus and twitter followers or the rise / fall in Adwords $ rate of Swine + Pundit. Then it would just be puzzling.

Quote from: Snowman0147;787188Game Journalists are no better than the mods in the big purple.  In fact they are the same damn thing.  All around they are disgusting and should never be given any amount of trust.

Geez, that's a bit harsh. Most game journalists are guys paid nothing (except maybe a free download of the game), and are pretty expendable. I seriously don't see them pushing them anyone around.

It is harsh, but true.  In case you had not notice the social justice movement had pretty much taken over some of the gaming journalist sites.  If your going to guilt trip me with their low pay I will tell you this.  They should had pick a better career that actually has a demand and reasonable pay.  I do not feel any sympathy towards those that hate my hobby and call the people in my hobby worst than ISIS.

Quote from: Lynn;787351I guess from media whore perspective it could look the same superficially -  until they bothered to check to see Pundit isn't tracking all of his keywords, click-thrus and twitter followers or the rise / fall in Adwords $ rate of Swine + Pundit. Then it would just be puzzling.

Yeah, maybe we don't connect here because I simply don't care that Phil Fish was or was not a media whore.

Not even remotely relevant to me.

What I'm identifying is a person who is no longer allowed to be a person because they make a better concept.

Doesn't matter if they deserve it or not, it's still wrong beyond wrong.

Quote from: mcbobbo;787373What I'm identifying is a person who is no longer allowed to be a person because they make a better concept. Doesn't matter if they deserve it or not, it's still wrong beyond wrong.

I recall the FEZ 2 debacle but not the details. I'm in the software industry but for the most part Ive stayed away from computer games except on the "tools" end - some can be almost as nutty as the (mainstream) entertainment industry.

His Wikipedia entry makes him out to be a man-baby who needs to own his mistakes and bad behavior, learn a life lesson and move on.

Quote from: Snowman0147;787372It is harsh, but true.  In case you had not notice the social justice movement had pretty much taken over some of the gaming journalist sites.  If your going to guilt trip me with their low pay I will tell you this.  They should had pick a better career that actually has a demand and reasonable pay.  I do not feel any sympathy towards those that hate my hobby and call the people in my hobby worst than ISIS.

I have to say, the amount of "Games Journalists" who have said some REALLY vile things at anyone who identifies as a "Gamer", has been truly astounding. As in, "You KNOW you're biting the hand that feeds you, right?" kind of stupidity.

I know I'm avoiding all Gawker media, now.

Quote from: Novastar;787382I know I'm avoiding all Gawker media, now.

I know that is the root of the problem.  This is all Gawker's fault.  Don't tell me when a bunch of sites that are owned by Gawker started to post that gamers are dead on the same day that it wasn't Gawker's order.  You know those sites are doing what Gawker tells them to do.  I can also make a bet with you that Gawker gave the okay to do the insulting click bait articles that piss off most people that enjoy video games.

Quote from: Snowman0147;787372It is harsh, but true.  In case you had not notice the social justice movement had pretty much taken over some of the gaming journalist sites.  If your going to guilt trip me with their low pay I will tell you this.  They should had pick a better career that actually has a demand and reasonable pay.  I do not feel any sympathy towards those that hate my hobby and call the people in my hobby worst than ISIS.

Career? Most "game journalists" are 20somethings looking to score a free game or two. It's as much a "career" as mowing a lawn once a week.

I guess I'm just ignorant here, because I'm unaware of any "Game Journalist United Front" where game journalists present a formal opinion that offends you so.

Perhaps I can get some links or enlightenment?

Quote from: Snowman0147;787372It is harsh, but true.  In case you had not notice the social justice movement had pretty much taken over some of the gaming journalist sites.  If your going to guilt trip me with their low pay I will tell you this.  They should had pick a better career that actually has a demand and reasonable pay.  I do not feel any sympathy towards those that hate my hobby and call the people in my hobby worst than ISIS.

What's the difference between a gamer and a member of ISIS?  

One of them is a misogynist who resents all women, hasn't taken a bath in a while, and makes preposterous, overblown statements online while not standing a chance in hell of accomplishing anything with their life in the long-term, and the others are members of a foreign jihadist group!

Thanks, folks, try the veal.

Quote from: Doom;787547Career? Most "game journalists" are 20somethings looking to score a free game or two. It's as much a "career" as mowing a lawn once a week.

I guess I'm just ignorant here, because I'm unaware of any "Game Journalist United Front" where game journalists present a formal opinion that offends you so.

Perhaps I can get some links or enlightenment?

I suspect the problem is that the amount of power people think game journalists wield, and the bar for entry in the profession, is completely at odds with the actual power that they have to shape opinions or get hired.  Much like game designers or writers in the RPG field, really.  

I remember the amount of power ascribed to people I know who happened to be  freelancers for this game or that, by members of Usenet especially, was quite extraordinary, in comparison to what their life was actually like.  

Also, I've been married for a long time, so if any of you female game designers out there really do want to trade positive reviews for sex, I am the mistake that you can keep on regretting. I'll set up my review blog tonight. Heck, the more fey male designers, too, line right up.  Oh, what's that, it doesn't really work like that?  Dammit.  Back to judging beauty contests in Omaha.

Also, sorry to any people who actually do judge beauty contests.  I know it's not like that, either.  I've seen Miss Congeniality, I know a lot of beauty contests are actually traps to catch murderers.