I put my ps3 for sale on local trade papers over the weekend. Got a call from some kid today who wants to buy it.

Sine the disappointment that was MW2 i've just been feeling completrely disnfranchised with console gaming. It just seems that console games are not only vastly expensive, compared to pc games, but offer very little. The single player components are, for all their lustre, short. Even something as glorious as Mass Effect 2 will be done and dusted in a month. Then you've got a fifty quid coaster (I don't care to keep playing the same game over and over). If it's not an FPS it just doesn't seem to exist. I've found the console gaming online is just a passport to heartache: hardcore, elite players who refute teamwork are no fun. This was the problem with MW2: it was just zero fun.

Prior to getting a ps3 i had 4 360's over 18 months. They kept breaking down. In the end i got a refund, which led to getting the ps. But the reality is the ps3 is dead. It's betamax to Microsoft's VHS (thanks to their horrendously expensive and aggressive practises toward players and developers). Sony have lost the console war, even though the 3 is a better machine. Microsoft are using their power to get developers to favour their console - MW2 is another example; the ps3 version is laggy online to the point it is unplayable. MW1 was never like this on the 360. The only exception is Uncharted 2 which, for all it's phenomenal graphoics, is another bland shooter.

I never thought i'd be so at odds with video (ie console) gaming. I don't remember the ps2 being like this and I don't remember gaming on the ps2 being so bland. Compare the next gen Soul Calibur with Soul Calibur 2 - which remains to this day the greatest fighting game ever made. That game was glorious, and it didn't need a ropey online component. Then there's Streetfighter. Everyone has fond memories of that game, but the recent one was a disaster: ken clones, horrendously complicated controls that were unplayable on the controller. Back in the day, we just played the game on the ps2 and it was fun; didn't need to worry about links and all the funky tricks that dominate these games now. We just had fun!

Even so, I feel a bit sad to be selling my console (mainly because it's my default media player). I hope to use the money to get a better pc to at least have a go at LotRO, or WoW. I want a deeper, more long lasting game experience. I haven't the skill or the patience to keep up with the twitch jockeys that dominate the online world that itself dominates the console experience. If not that it's hopeless ports of games like Dragon Age, which only show how far behind the console is to the modern pc game.

Funny old world.

I am now bereft of a console; what a strange feeling. Like stepping back in time.

But who needs console gaming when there's episodes of dr who to watch on youtube. So many ways to see Davros make a cock of himself.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;358695I never thought i'd be so at odds with video (ie console) gaming. I don't remember the ps2 being like this and I don't remember gaming on the ps2 being so bland. Compare the next gen Soul Calibur with Soul Calibur 2 - which remains to this day the greatest fighting game ever made. That game was glorious, and it didn't need a ropey online component. Then there's Streetfighter. Everyone has fond memories of that game, but the recent one was a disaster: ken clones, horrendously complicated controls that were unplayable on the controller. Back in the day, we just played the game on the ps2 and it was fun; didn't need to worry about links and all the funky tricks that dominate these games now. We just had fun!

Ummm..Street Fighter 4 has the exact same controls Street Fighter has always had, and the advanced tactics are much simpler then in 3. It sounds like you're just trying to justify your console sale but getting a hate on for all the games, which I can understand. It's easy to get disillusioned as the PS3 and X-Box aren't pushing any new experiences, just the same old ones with a glossy paint job. The Wii won this console generation hands down.

It's the ravings of a madman pay no attention.  

The Wii may be winning on volume.  But it's one of the most disappointing consoles in years.  So much promise has never brought so much waste.  My favorite Wii titles are still pretty much the first 5 that came out close to launch.  The last year so has seen maybe a handful of promising games between the slew of pig shit 35 in 1 party games.  It also has practically no relevant 3rd party support.

The Wii is not without it's charms and uses.  But for core gaming it fails on most levels.

I may have to reconsider my view on the consoles and the wii as there is apparently a fighting game that has the guys from G Force!!!

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;358996I may have to reconsider my view on the consoles and the wii as there is apparently a fighting game that has the guys from G Force!!!

G Force is no longer safe since it's more commonly attached to that recent stupid spy hamster whatever movie.  Battle of the Planets is common or Kagaku ninja tai Gatchaman (typically just Gatchaman) is acceptable now.

Quote from: kryyst;358993It's the ravings of a madman pay no attention.  

The Wii may be winning on volume.  But it's one of the most disappointing consoles in years.  So much promise has never brought so much waste.  My favorite Wii titles are still pretty much the first 5 that came out close to launch.  The last year so has seen maybe a handful of promising games between the slew of pig shit 35 in 1 party games.  It also has practically no relevant 3rd party support.

The Wii is not without it's charms and uses.  But for core gaming it fails on most levels.

I doubt i'd get one. i take gaming too seriously to enjoy it. It's clearly for the family. Have been thinking about a psp (if a see a 3000 cheap, which is statistically unlikely), though i can't help thinking what's the point: just buy a proper console since that's what it seems to want to be. And we'd be back to square one.

A decent pc would be nice. Or at least some cot effective way to play wow on a machine without enough HD space or a dvd drive.

Quote from: KrakaJak;358968The Wii won this console generation hands down.

Yeah, unless you want to play something other than MarioWhatthefuckever 12 1/2.
It's awesome if I want to count jumping jacks or squat-thrusts. Or if I want to play a game consisting of a rolling ball of shit that other stuff sticks to, thus enlarging my ball of shit. But any game common to another platform that gets ported over is fucking garbage. Madden with Wii controls? Yeah, shit. Mortal Kombat with Wii controls? Ubershit. I'd rather pound an iron spike through my sack with my forehead than try to get off the most simple special attack in Mortal Kombat on a Wii. It's all about little kids and housewives trying to lose weight. Face it, Xbox 360, even with all it's problems, won this console generation.

Dude, I LOVE MW2. I've got like a dozen friends that play it, most of who I met on x-box live. I can talk shit to my opponents in Free for All. If you have even a single person you can count on, you can win team games. It is perfect.

Quote from: kryyst;358993The Wii is not without it's charms and uses.  But for core gaming it fails on most levels.

Quote from: IMLegendYeah, unless you want to play something other than MarioWhatthefuckever 12 1/2.
It's awesome if I want to count jumping jacks or squat-thrusts. Or if I want to play a game consisting of a rolling ball of shit that other stuff sticks to, thus enlarging my ball of shit. But any game common to another platform that gets ported over is fucking garbage. Madden with Wii controls? Yeah, shit. Mortal Kombat with Wii controls? Ubershit. I'd rather pound an iron spike through my sack with my forehead than try to get off the most simple special attack in Mortal Kombat on a Wii. It's all about little kids and housewives trying to lose weight. Face it, Xbox 360, even with all it's problems, won this console generation.

I would say that Core gaming has failed on so many levels. So many great companies have died trying to cater to the core gamer this generation. Fuck, even EA was on it's death bed a couple times (until iPhone apps saved them). The XBox and PS3 model of specs above all is dead and the 'core' audience is no longer the 'core' of sales. It's forced Microsoft and Sony to try to monetize their platforms in other ways (movie downloads, last.fm etc.) appeal to the non-gamer audience and EA is putting their top franchises on Facebook.

Although I don't have to bring up sales numbers (as the PS3 and Xbox have sold less consoles combined), but as far as innovative gameplay is concerned, the Wii has got it in spades over the other consoles. Now, there is a lot of crap that has come out for the console (I don't consider a well made exercise game crap by the way, but shit like Ninja Bread Man), but no one is playing the crap. There's easily more than 100 great games for the system.

You're right again about there not being much good third party support. however EA, Capcom and Ubisoft have all put out some great games for the console. No More Heroes, Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, Mega Man 9, Boom Blox, Bit.Trip etc. That's not mentioning the top quality first party support from Nintendo, which is worth the price of admission alone.

The thing is, it's not all about grandma and the kids exercising. But if that's how they have fun, then why are you getting all bent out of shape about it?

Quote from: IMLegend;359112Yeah, unless you want to play something other than MarioWhatthefuckever 12 1/2.
It's awesome if I want to count jumping jacks or squat-thrusts. Or if I want to play a game consisting of a rolling ball of shit that other stuff sticks to, thus enlarging my ball of shit. But any game common to another platform that gets ported over is fucking garbage. Madden with Wii controls? Yeah, shit. Mortal Kombat with Wii controls? Ubershit. I'd rather pound an iron spike through my sack with my forehead than try to get off the most simple special attack in Mortal Kombat on a Wii. It's all about little kids and housewives trying to lose weight. Face it, Xbox 360, even with all it's problems, won this console generation.

The best version of Resident Evil 4 is the Wii version. There are many great and interesting titles for the Wii that won't include Mario or your granny exercising. That's just hardcore stereotyped talk. Hardcore gamers make no good losers.

Quote from: Imperator;359175The best version of Resident Evil 4 is the Wii version. There are many great and interesting titles for the Wii that won't include Mario or your granny exercising. That's just hardcore stereotyped talk. Hardcore gamers make no good losers.

Wow, I've never been accused of being a "hardcore gamer" by any stretch. Quite the opposite really. Anyway, I could care less about RE4. I wasn't impressed with any version of it. It was a rehash of the previous games. That's kinda like being the smartest kid in the remedial class. That seems to be the Wii's specialty. Obscure Japanese games, and old Nintendo licenses beaten like the dead horse.

Games that are designed with the Wii in mind from conception seem to work fine. Sadly VERY few of these games interest me. Games designed with more standard console controls in mind don't seem to translate worth a shit to the Wii. Yes I'm sure there are exceptions, there always fucking are. But the games I like to play suck on the Wii. The Wii is innovative, I'll give it that. But that's not enough to make up for wonkey controls and shitty ports.

The Wii outsells the other consoles because it appeals to a bigger demographic than the others, as well as being cheaper. It's not limited to the general "males aged 10-35" or whatever. People (and I'm talking general public here, not those who game regularly) think "Oh this will be great for the whole family. We can go bowling and never leave the house", or "Oh, that Wii fit will help me lose that pesky 15 pounds I've been working on". Those aren't the only buyers, but they expand the base quite a bit. That sure as hell does not make it a better machine for straight up gaming. Or a better supported machine for that matter. I still believe that among gamers, the 360 is considered more of a "standard" by which others are measured.

No, this is not "hardcore stereotyped talk", it's my experiance with the Wii and that of many of those I associate and game with. And as far as the "loser" comment goes: Dude, grow up. Are you gonna call me a doodie head next or something? Why don't you try and get above a 3rd grade level of conversation now.

Quote from: KrakaJak;359140I would say that Core gaming has failed on so many levels. So many great companies have died trying to cater to the core gamer this generation. Fuck, even EA was on it's death bed a couple times (until iPhone apps saved them). The XBox and PS3 model of specs above all is dead and the 'core' audience is no longer the 'core' of sales. It's forced Microsoft and Sony to try to monetize their platforms in other ways (movie downloads, last.fm etc.) appeal to the non-gamer audience and EA is putting their top franchises on Facebook.

Although I don't have to bring up sales numbers (as the PS3 and Xbox have sold less consoles combined), but as far as innovative gameplay is concerned, the Wii has got it in spades over the other consoles. Now, there is a lot of crap that has come out for the console (I don't consider a well made exercise game crap by the way, but shit like Ninja Bread Man), but no one is playing the crap. There's easily more than 100 great games for the system.

You're right again about there not being much good third party support. however EA, Capcom and Ubisoft have all put out some great games for the console. No More Heroes, Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, Mega Man 9, Boom Blox, Bit.Trip etc. That's not mentioning the top quality first party support from Nintendo, which is worth the price of admission alone.

The thing is, it's not all about grandma and the kids exercising. But if that's how they have fun, then why are you getting all bent out of shape about it?

I don't think anything "forced" (other than maybe a down economy in general)MS and Sony to monetize there platforms in other ways. I'm betting these were planned years ago and just coming to fruition recently. They were always intended to be multimedia machines.

Suffice it to say, yours and my ideas of "great games" are light years apart. Maybe I'm too picky but I don't think there are 100 great games on all the platforms combined. I guess you're just more easily entertained.

I'm not bent out of shape about kids having fun. I'm bent out of shape about your claim that the Wii is the best console of this generation. Most sold, yes. But that doesn't make it the best gaming machine by any stretch. It just happens to be marketable to a less fickle audience.

Quote from: Imperator;359175The best version of Resident Evil 4 is the Wii version. There are many great and interesting titles for the Wii that won't include Mario or your granny exercising. That's just hardcore stereotyped talk. Hardcore gamers make no good losers.

The Wii has some good games. Personally, I only like the most high end shit that you would normally want to play on a PC, like MW2.

This is the best Wii game I've ever seen: http://www.youtube.comc/watch?v=XTUm07enrs4

The Wii does have good games on it.  Just not to the same core that 360 and PS3 deliver.  Inovation is also more then just waggle controls.  There are some Wii games that I can only ever imagine playing on Wii.  Boom Blox, Ghostbusters, Res4, Metroid, exercise games and a few party games.  They hugely benefit from the Wii Motion controls and were made to take advantage of the Wii's abilities not just ported to it.  That's a big difference.

Other games like No More Heroes - which is a good game.  The Wii motion controls don't help the game they just substitute for a button mash.

I like my Wii, it has it's purposes.  But I picked up a 360 because overall it's just got more engaging games.  But it really depends on what you are looking for.