This stuff has been around since 'Custer's Revenge' for the Atari 400...unfortunate, it reflects poorly on the magazine industry about as much as pornographic magazines reflect poorly on the magazine industry (if the latter still existed).

While it's probably unwise to generalize from a few forum poss, that's never stopped me before, so I'm going to hazard a guess many of the respondents so far have never been to an S&M gathering or a an S&M-inspired performance show. This shit is pretty mild by comparison.

Quote from: pawsplay;349907While it's probably unwise to generalize from a few forum poss, that's never stopped me before, so I'm going to hazard a guess many of the respondents so far have never been to an S&M gathering or a an S&M-inspired performance show. This shit is pretty mild by comparison.

Right,  but this turd is being presented as a "game" and not as an event at an S&M gathering.

Quote from: pawsplay;349907While it's probably unwise to generalize from a few forum poss, that's never stopped me before, so I'm going to hazard a guess many of the respondents so far have never been to an S&M gathering or a an S&M-inspired performance show. This shit is pretty mild by comparison.

In regards to the jeepform, possibly.  The part to remember about the S&M crowd is the way they self-identify: power exchange (or power exchange play).  In other words, the participants are willingly 'exchanging' the normalized levels of power between two people.  Even in these cases, is it not most frequently something of a ruse anyway?  The whole activity is delimited by a certain period of time, some safeword that ceases activity, or a previous agreement as to specific physical or emotional acts.

And of course, the BDSM folks have a different outlook on interpersonal relationships to begin with.  However, I think if you floated this idea to an experienced group of BDSM devotees, they would likely recoil in the same manner as would a 'mundane'.

Quote from: bin Sayf;349910Right,  but this turd is being presented as a "game" and not as an event at an S&M gathering.

My opinion.

Well, "freedom of expression" is still a valued right (as long as one remembers that "freedom" doesn't make the expression interesting, smart or valuable). And these dudes claim to have created the game because (I quote from the rules):

I have several itches I am scratching
with this game. For one, a thing that
has been severely bugging me the last
couple of years is that it seems nearly
impossible to get convicted for rape
or gang rape, at least in contemporary
Sweden.

[...]

Going back to Sweden, possibly as a
consequence of the lack of convictions,
we hear the word rape in the news often
enough for us to stop taking it in anymore.
Rape is fast becoming a four letter
word. And it sure as hell ain't.

HOWEVER

By putting together some other items found in the rulebook...

Gang rape is a short, game
master-less jeepform game
centred around the idea of
using fiat as a means of
oppression. The game mechanics
were conceived for the purpose
of playing gang rape, but are equally
useful for playing any kind of oppression,
like for example bullying/mobbing.

[...]

The term "GM fiat" means that the
GM decides what happens in the game
without consulting the players or "the objective
rueles." It is a term with negative
connotations—especially for players that
thinks role-playing is a struggle between
the players and the GM. The term fiat is
not a pun on "We go by jeep" but plain
English for "a formal authorization or
proposition; a decree."

[...]

Additionally, and naturally, the game is
also about admitting that we all have
the capacity to fantasise about these
things. And just maybe, or so I imagine,
you might find nuances of things in here
that actually turns you on. For some,
control can be a great turn-on. Naturally,
I am only saying this to raise the
stakes of playing.

...It seems to me that this is only a slight variation of the usual "GMs are sexual molesters!!!!" forgite rally cry. A really sad state of affairs (and minds) IMHO.

This game has been around for years. I've actually mentioned it on this very forum several times as an example of jeepforms. Its existence isn't news.

Quote from: Reckall;349912My opinion.

Well, "freedom of expression" is still a valued right (as long as one remembers that "freedom" doesn't make the expression interesting, smart or valuable).

A good point that often gets lost in discussions of freedom of expression.  If these clowns really wanted to tackle the issue of Swedish gang-rapists getting off scot-free, perhaps a LARPish RPG was not the most effective vehicle to use.

But, judging by your quotes from the game itself, I'm inclined to think that my joking reference to F.A.T.A.L. above wasn't so far off the mark.

Quote from: Pseudoephedrine;349913This game has been around for years. I've actually mentioned it on this very forum several times as an example of jeepforms. Its existence isn't news.

Same here.

Nice to see Skarka's Law in full swing, though.

Quote from: One Horse Town;349928Same here.

Nice to see Skarka's Law in full swing, though.

What's Skarka's law?  

Someone had brought jeepform previously and I had spent a few minutes looking at them but was quickly turned off by the lame and/or awful games in the genre - in scanning the descriptions of ~20 I didn't see one that I was interested in playing.

Jeepform seems to be a larp for lazy people who like melodrama.  They sit around a table and don't have cool costumes but they also don't have any crunch like tabletop.

Quote from: Nicephorus;349932What's Skarka's law?  

Coined by Gareth Micheal Skarka (GMS on this forum), it is thusly paraphrased: "In internet discourse, no matter how fucked up the subject matter, there will always be someone around to defend it."

Meh, this was going to happen some time. Not too impressive, at least Poison'd had some flair about the gross-out.

Quote from: two_fishes;349806yeah, it seems pretty obvious that this is a method this group uses to discuss issues that are important to them. aside from the misnomer of calling it a "game" or a form of "play", the reaction here seems kind of histrionic.

I agree.

I find the idea disgusting, and absolutely fucking retarded. I have yet to find any Jeepform game with a premise which is not a pile of shit. And I understand that many persons won't like that stupid shit to be associated with RPGs.

Quote from: Ian Absentia;349877It's encounter session therapy as entertainment.  It's like confusing medications for recreational drugs, but lots of people still do it.

!i!

Ditto.

Quote from: jhkim;349896For what it's worth, jeepform is not a "larp" in the sense of all action being mimed out physically.  Gang Rape uses an abstraction based on eye contact.

This sounds really really weird. How does it work?

Quote from: StormBringer;349911In regards to the jeepform, possibly.  The part to remember about the S&M crowd is the way they self-identify: power exchange (or power exchange play).  In other words, the participants are willingly 'exchanging' the normalized levels of power between two people.  Even in these cases, is it not most frequently something of a ruse anyway?  The whole activity is delimited by a certain period of time, some safeword that ceases activity, or a previous agreement as to specific physical or emotional acts.

And of course, the BDSM folks have a different outlook on interpersonal relationships to begin with.  However, I think if you floated this idea to an experienced group of BDSM devotees, they would likely recoil in the same manner as would a 'mundane'.

Maybe. I've seen rape as well as father-daughter sexual contact presented as interpretive dance. Jeepform is certainly a "ruse" unless you are suggesting they actually find an unwilling participant to rape.

Does anyone know when the Underage Sourcebook is coming out?


*runs*




Sorry, resisted posting that for a day, but the joke was just too bad to miss. Which could also be said about the whole gangrape RPG thing.

Quote from: bin Sayf;349910Right,  but this turd is being presented as a "game" and not as an event at an S&M gathering.

But not a fun game.

If nothing else, it would be nice if more designers were up front about that.  I owned a Batman video game for about a day that had you swinging from rooftops, but you had no camera control.  On the third roof or so, you were really swinging blind.  After about four tries and dying each time, I took it back.  If the designers had just said up front "Look, this is more to just screw with you, I would have grabbed a different game and skipped the whole exercise."