On the 'Werewolf' tangent, I figured I'd invest five minutes and search through my WtA rulebook, for folks that like to keep score.  This is Werewolf (old WoD), third edition.

The word 'rape' appears:
- once in describing how awful acts feed the Wyrm;
- once in describing the Atrocity Realm.

'Cannibal' or 'cannibalism' appears:
- twice in the Litany in the description of the law that prohibits cannibalism;
- once in the description of atavistic Bone Gnawers (implied to be antagonists) who disregard that law;
- four times in descriptions of the wendigo spirit;
Ah, here it is...maybe this is what pawsplay is talking about.  In the section on Rage, there is a description of an abnormal rage (the 'thrall of the wyrm') in which a Garou loses all control and does _bad bad things_, including potentially cannibalism.  A homid-form Garou in thrall who kills or incapacitates a foe gets to make a Wits roll to avoid the cannibalism, apparently (news to me).
- once in a description of Fomori (antagonists);
- once in a description of a magic item that clouds identity, as a counterexample ("if people see you tear out a throat, they'll think you a cannibal psychotic");

Bottom line: Every mention of cannibalism or rape is in reference to evil acts.  These are not things that PCs are _intended_ to do.  It's what bad guys do, just like in most other games.

I didn't bother looking for 'possession' because it's a game about a shamanistic culture, period.

Cue someone saying "he meant the new World of Darkness!" now.

Quote from: VectorSigma;352561Ah, here it is...maybe this is what pawsplay is talking about.  In the section on Rage, there is a description of an abnormal rage (the 'thrall of the wyrm') in which a Garou loses all control and does _bad bad things_, including potentially cannibalism.  A homid-form Garou in thrall who kills or incapacitates a foe gets to make a Wits roll to avoid the cannibalism, apparently (news to me).

Do say.

From the MET version, quoted in it's entirety:  http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/J_Arcane/METtheApocalypse.gif

Quote from: StormBringer;352556You will not be baiting me into playing your little game.

Well, I gave you a chance to be gracious. Your loss.

Quote from: J Arcane;352566From the MET version, quoted in it's entirety:  http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/J_Arcane/METtheApocalypse.gif

That's not it. You're looking for the phrase "Wyrm frenzy" or "Thrall of the Wyrm."

Quote from: pawsplay;352565Do say.

I don't see that as a big deal, frankly.  Does any rpg with mind control in it count?

I'm reading that section now, since it seems to be the bit that inspired your original issue.

It's all about a berserk frenzy.  Berserk.  Frenzy.  In which a character (PC or otherwise) feels the urge to do 'Wyrm stuff' based on their breed.  (cannibalism for homids, 'perversion' for metis, and mutilating the foe for lupus, for folks who know of the game's terminology)  The worst of the worst, with a spin based on the greatest crime your kind can commit (for example, metis are forbidden to breed, so when they fall to the wyrm, they act out the urge to breed).

How does this make the game about cannibalism and rape?  How can any game be 'about' what happens when you fail a bunch of rolls in a row?

Quote from: pawsplay;352568That's not it. You're looking for the phrase "Wyrm frenzy" or "Thrall of the Wyrm."

THat is the only section on Frenzy rules in that book, not counting a few mentions in fluff text in the context of referring to it as a curse, and a few of the gifts and traits that allow you to prevent frenzy or gain some of it's benefits without the drawbacks.

Tough titty on that, bucko.

And as Vector has demonstrated, only one of your charges is in the tabletop book, and even that has been exaggerated on your part.  The rest are pure lies, as usual.

You are a dishonest, lying piece of shit, who can frankyl fuck off back to RPGnet where that shit belongs.  I am done with you, with your smugness, your twisting of the truth, your outright falsehood.

Go fuck yourself, you sack of human filth.

Why the hell am I even commenting on this?  Seriously?  Guess I got suckered in.  Probably because I have a Werewolf game tomorrow.

No one has ever come up to me and said "Hey, let's get a campaign of that 'turn-into-wolves-and-fuck-corpses' game going!", nor "Isn't there an rpg that properly simulates involuntary berserk cannibalism in a realistic yet engaging fashion?"*

I mean, really.  Besides, falling into the thrall of the wyrm is a great way to lose your character - either through being put down by your fellows afterward, or by realizing the awful crap you did and sliding into harano (WtA-speak for 'fatal depression'...yes, it's almost as angsty as Vampire sometimes).

This has so little to do with the OP I feel like I ought to apologize.



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*  Obviously, you'd want to use Risus or Wushu for this.

Quote from: VectorSigma;352573I mean, really.  Besides, falling into the thrall of the wyrm is a great way to lose your character - either through being put down by your fellows afterward, or by realizing the awful crap you did and sliding into harano (WtA-speak for 'fatal depression'...yes, it's almost as angsty as Vampire sometimes).

Indeed.  It's sort of like claiming that Star Wars RPG is all about spousal abuse, because there's technically rules for falling to the dark side, and Anakin choked his woman in that awful movie.

Quote from: J Arcane;352575Indeed.  It's sort of like claiming that Star Wars RPG is all about spousal abuse, because there's technically rules for falling to the dark side, and Anakin choked his woman in that awful movie.

And then she fell into Harano and died.

Here's what I don't get about 'Gang Rape' most of all - what's to "explore"?  I mean, if it's a 'game' for adults (obviously?) about 'exploring' gang rape and other power situations (bullying, I guess?), then what's the point?

I could understand teaching children why bullying is bad by doing a roleplay thing about bullying (the 'how would you feel if...'), although that's obviously not a game.

But adults?  Adults, one would think, don't need any convincing or exploration to know that rape (gang or otherwise) is an awful thing.  "But we're exploring relationships of power, and --"  Yeah.  Sure.  What is to be gained?  Not fun, that's already been covered.  Not knowledge, as an adult should already have that particular morsel (rape = bad) covered.

This thing is like some kind of bizarre after-school special for the deconstructionist crowd.

Quote from: J Arcane;352572THat is the only section on Frenzy rules in that book, not counting a few mentions in fluff text in the context of referring to it as a curse, and a few of the gifts and traits that allow you to prevent frenzy or gain some of it's benefits without the drawbacks.

So it's in there. Glad we're clear on that.

QuoteAnd as Vector has demonstrated, only one of your charges is in the tabletop book, and even that has been exaggerated on your part.  The rest are pure lies, as usual.

I don't remember stating another other than that it was in there. Oh, yeah, and that W:tA is not about playing "good guys."

QuoteYou are a dishonest, lying piece of shit, who can frankyl fuck off back to RPGnet where that shit belongs.  I am done with you, with your smugness, your twisting of the truth, your outright falsehood.

That's actually something I cannot do. I am banned from RPG.net, permanently, and have been for more than three years and after my last appeal, well, let's just say I don't have any plans for a next appeal.

QuoteGo fuck yourself, you sack of human filth.

I guess this suggestion has some merit.

Geez, all the insults. I didn't realize there were so many thin skins around here. You start talking about whether the rulebook "says" what I "said" it does, and people get a little hot on the collar.

Call me a liar again, StormBringer, you silly old thing. Shoulda admitted you were paste when I offered you the chance. But no, you couldn't bring yourself to actually consult the rules, so now you're in the shit. I win, you lose. I get tired of this crap sometimes, but when people want to do anything other than talk like reasonable people... well, sometimes you just have to rub people's faces in the truth.

Enjoy your cannibal rapist PC game, fuckers.

Thank you for cementing a decision I should've made pages ago.

FFVB'd.

Pffft, pawsplay is just another BNG. Another bitter non-gamer hiding behind internet anonymity. Amazing how different conversations go when you've got something resembling your real name as your screen nick, and your own picture as your avatar.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;352610Pffft, pawsplay is just another BNG. Another bitter non-gamer hiding behind internet anonymity. Amazing how different conversations go when you've got something resembling your real name as your screen nick, and your own picture as your avatar.

I just have zero interest in continue to discuss anything with someone who demonstrates such blatant dishonesty.  

At that point I simply can no longer assume any future conversations will even resemble good faith.

Yeah, that's basically what I meant.