Quote from: David R;352381What the fuck are you talking about ? I was not the one who constructed this elaborate fantasy that Werewolf was about "demonically possesed cannibal rapists", you were. I, J Arcane and Strombringer said that Werewolf was nothing like what you described and invited you to produce some evidence to support your claim. The best you could manage was an unoffical wiki site. I find it amusing that someone who is so offended by our supposed hypocritical standards has to resorts to half truths and rhetorical trickery to sustain his arguments.

Regards,
David R

Quote the rules, then call me a liar. Dare you.

Quote from: Drohem;352382Are you fucking serious, troll-bait?  You link a web page for the online version of a Catholic Encyclopedia and you quote the bible as your source for evidence that demonic possession is doctrinal?

To Catholics and Biblical literalists. Is there some logical whole I missed, in feeling that Christians practice Christian theology? Exorcism is a rite of the Catholic church. Apparently somebody thinks demonic possession occurs.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;352442Lots about demons tempting you with sweet, sweet sin. Not much at all about demons making you go crazy and eat people. And even if they do "possess" you, they just "hinder" your control. See, Catholics have this other doctrine, the doctrine of free will. You know, we as adults are responsible for our own actions and all that. Being possessed by demons kinda flies against that. So they don't like to talk about that much. If you're "possessed" it's because you gave yourself over to them. In the end it's all up to you.

What has that got to do with anything? I never said Werewolf denied the doctrine of free will.

QuoteAnd again, note the complete lack of any kind of Christian church's protest against movies about werewolves. They just don't care.

All that demonstrates is that most Catholics are more thick-skinned than certain RPGsite posters. Zinga-ding-ding.

Quote from: jeff37923;352394If the game had merits, you would not need to defend its "right to exist".

If the game had substantial merits, I wouldn't have to. Defending the good and worthwhile is easy, defending reason so that it may serve the good is a more complex argument. I would rather let people play crappy games than assault the dignity of a person to make their own choices. There are plenty of people who would deride someone just for posting on this website, but I don't care. And if I don't care about those opinions, why would I thrust such a useless opinion on someone else?

What is gained by expressing judgment over something that is, ultimately, a question of taste? Some people like their rape with a twist of fur, necrophilia, and the comfortable distance of fantasy... some people prefer gang rape straight up. Different strokes for different folks.

Quote from: StormBringer;352474You know, if everyone was expected to actually read the links they post, this place would grind to a halt, and nothing would get done.

Clearly an unreasonable expectation.

So what, exactly, do the rules say, StormBringer? Got a quote for me?

Quote from: pawsplay;352524Quote the rules, then call me a liar. Dare you.

Already done, dipshit.

Post 300 in this very thread

However, it is entirely unnecessary, because you are the one asserting this is true.  Therefore it is up to you to provide the evidence to support that assertion.

In other words:  I don't have the pictures, but I am certain you like to insert small rodents into your own anus.  Go ahead, prove me wrong.

Follow up:

Quote from: pawsplay;352532So what, exactly, do the rules say, StormBringer? Got a quote for me?

Again, I don't have to quote anything.  You are making assertions without a shred of evidence.  That is called 'lying'.

Quote from: pawsplay;352531If the game had substantial merits...

Define what an insubstantial merit is, otherwise you are admitting that Gang Rape is meritless as a game.

Quote from: pawsplay;352531Defending the good and worthwhile is easy, defending reason so that it may serve the good is a more complex argument.

Tell us how Gang Rape is an example of reason.

Quote from: pawsplay;352531I would rather let people play crappy games than assault the dignity of a person to make their own choices. There are plenty of people who would deride someone just for posting on this website, but I don't care. And if I don't care about those opinions, why would I thrust such a useless opinion on someone else?

What is gained by expressing judgment over something that is, ultimately, a question of taste? Some people like their rape with a twist of fur, necrophilia, and the comfortable distance of fantasy... some people prefer gang rape straight up. Different strokes for different folks.

Quote from: StormBringer;352534Already done, dipshit.

Post 300 in this very thread

There are zero quotes and one small, context-free paraphrase in there.

QuoteHowever, it is entirely unnecessary, because you are the one asserting this is true.  Therefore it is up to you to provide the evidence to support that assertion.

I have. Now offer counter-evidence. I am sure it would be very persuasive if you quoted the rulebook back at me.

HMM. I wonder why you don't do that? Check the index, type up a short paragraph, post. POW. You would totally pwnz me. It would be so easy.

Heck, you could lie and make it up and how would I know? I don't have the book in front of me. Of course, someone might catch you later. I am sure someone, somewhere at there has the rule book and would be willing to quote it at me.

It would be really embarrassing, of course, if it turned out I was right and you were simply willing to admit it by posting the incriminating paragraphs.

QuoteAgain, I don't have to quote anything.  

Sure. And it's probably a good idea, if quoting would show you are wrong and you are too embarrassed to admit that.

Quote from: jeff37923;352542Tell us how Gang Rape is an example of reason.

I didn't claim it was.

Quote from: pawsplay;352531If the game had substantial merits...

Define what an insubstantial merit is, otherwise you are admitting that Gang Rape is meritless as a game.

Quote from: pawsplay;352531Defending the good and worthwhile is easy, defending reason so that it may serve the good is a more complex argument.

Tell us how Gang Rape is an example of reason.

Quote from: pawsplay;352531I would rather let people play crappy games than assault the dignity of a person to make their own choices. There are plenty of people who would deride someone just for posting on this website, but I don't care. And if I don't care about those opinions, why would I thrust such a useless opinion on someone else?

What is gained by expressing judgment over something that is, ultimately, a question of taste? Some people like their rape with a twist of fur, necrophilia, and the comfortable distance of fantasy... some people prefer gang rape straight up. Different strokes for different folks.

You have taken offensensitivity to the point of ridiculousness.

What is gained? A clear demarcation of what is acceptable in a hobby that I enjoy and what is offense and needlessly crude. In short, standards.

Quote from: pawsplay;352067The focus of Werewolf is playing a demon-possessed cannibal rapist murder. True, it lacks that total "gang rape" focus, but who likes those dodgy microgames, anyway?

I don't have the books in front of me, pawsplay, but it's never been that way in any Werewolf game I've ever played.  I suppose the focus of D&D is playing a genocidal capitalist to you as well?  With spin like that, you should be playing tennis.

Quote from: pawsplay;352544I didn't claim it was.

You are lying again. It does not serve you.

Quote from: pawsplay;352531Defending the good and worthwhile is easy, defending reason so that it may serve the good is a more complex argument.

Quote from: jeff37923;352545Define what an insubstantial merit is, otherwise you are admitting that Gang Rape is meritless as a game.

I'm not taking a position on Gang Rape's merits as a game. It's not for me, so I guess you could call that approximately meritless. So what? It doesn't matter to my position if I "admit" Gang Rape is meritless. It could very well be lacking in virtually every merit... except those that make it valuable to the people who play it.

QuoteYou have taken offensensitivity to the point of ridiculousness.

What is gained? A clear demarcation of what is acceptable in a hobby that I enjoy and what is offense and needlessly crude. In short, standards.

So rape, necrophilia, cannibalism, demonic possession, murder -- acceptable. Got it. Glad we cleared that up.

Quote from: pawsplay;352549I'm not taking a position on Gang Rape's merits as a game. It's not for me, so I guess you could call that approximately meritless. So what? It doesn't matter to my position if I "admit" Gang Rape is meritless. It could very well be lacking in virtually every merit... except those that make it valuable to the people who play it.

So this entire attempt by you to defend a meritless game was, what? Attention whoring? Lying practise? You showing us all what a fuckwit you are?

Quote from: pawsplay;352549So rape, necrophilia, cannibalism, demonic possession, murder -- acceptable. Got it. Glad we cleared that up.

To you maybe, but this is more demonstration that you are a worthless piece of shit. Have fun keeping fellow players in your games.

Quote from: pawsplay;352543There are zero quotes and one small, context-free paraphrase in there.

Which is magnitudes of order more than you have provided.

QuoteI have. Now offer counter-evidence. I am sure it would be very persuasive if you quoted the rulebook back at me.

No, you haven't.  I don't need to be persuasive, everyone knows you are not arguing in good faith.  At this point, my only goal is to drive that point home.

QuoteHMM. I wonder why you don't do that? Check the index, type up a short paragraph, post. POW. You would totally pwnz me. It would be so easy.

Even easier, I have already handed you your ass on a plate, without falling into your little 'prove a negative' game.

QuoteHeck, you could lie and make it up and how would I know? I don't have the book in front of me. Of course, someone might catch you later. I am sure someone, somewhere at there has the rule book and would be willing to quote it at me.

I think it is quite well known in these parts that I do not present falsehoods as part of my reasoning or arguments.  If you are so eager to get these quotes, get your own book.  Or, you know, check out post 300, where I mention the passage your unofficial Wikia refers to.

QuoteIt would be really embarrassing, of course, if it turned out I was right and you were simply willing to admit it by posting the incriminating paragraphs.

It also borders on the impossible at this point.  You will not be baiting me into playing your little game.  You have continually promoted arguments without any supporting evidence.  At this point, you are simply lying, and lying in the service of your Devil's Advocacy.  Both have been pointed out as not valid, especially so around here.

Try a blog or tBP.

QuoteSure. And it's probably a good idea, if quoting would show you are wrong and you are too embarrassed to admit that.

The bigger point is, I have nothing to quote against.  You have not presented an argument nor any thing to counter-quote.  You have an unofficial Wikia article and your own recollections of a group that thought rape was a good element for role-playing.

You will need to provide a quote or some kind of supported point if you expect a response.  Until then, you are regurgitating the same falsehoods as you have been for most of the page.

Continue to stamp your feet and demand a negative proof.  It doesn't reflect poorly on me.  The adults around here will continue to remind you, however, that your tactics have no traction.