Quote from: StormBringer;350959And yet, you can't yell 'Fire' in a crowded theatre.  There is an aspect of free speech that isn't protected, and that involves inciting criminal acts.

This because yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theatre is a crime: disorderly behavior, causing unjustified concern or what else it is called in your country.

Expressing your opinion that it shouldn't be, or role-playing in a world where it isn't is not a crime.

Quote from: One Horse Town;350961It's a favourite of those who want to quash criticism.

If anything, this argument is a favorite of those who want to decide what "freedom of speech" is (read: quash it). "Freedom of speech" is just that: it still makes you responsible of what you say, makes you open to criticism, and maybe even makes you a pariah in a given context/cultural group.

And of course criticism is a form of freedom of speech, and as such it open to the same kind of responsibilities and to criticism itself: thus it can be founded on ignorance, pretentiousness, cluelessness and narrowmindedness - as One Horse Town just graciously demonstrated

3 out of 4 ain't bad.

Quote from: Reckall;351042Expressing your opinion that it shouldn't be, or role-playing in a world where it isn't is not a crime.

No kidding?

Anyway, your right to express yourself does not also provide the right to be utterly protected from the expressions of others.

Hence, you can say these guys shouldn't be criticized for making a game about gang rape all day long.  But you will find that the vast majority will then exercise their right to speech, calling out someone defending this design to be a despicable asshole.

Quote from: StormBringer;351267No kidding?

Anyway, your right to express yourself does not also provide the right to be utterly protected from the expressions of others.

You didn't really read the thread, did you?

This product seems like a fail to me.

I'm sticking with first edition. In the new one the point-buy Rapist template is totally nerfed.

Quote from: Reckall;351330You didn't really read the thread, did you?

Despite it being a repeat of the last five times it has come up.

At any rate, you want to say the gang rape guys have the freedom of speech to make a 'session' about gang rape, fine.  But I will exercise my freedom of speech and note that your attempt to be edgy has fallen utterly flat, and you are now simply a douchebag exemplifying Skarka's Law.

Quote from: StormBringer;351437Despite it being a repeat of the last five times it has come up.

At any rate, you want to say the gang rape guys have the freedom of speech to make a 'session' about gang rape, fine.  But I will exercise my freedom of speech and note that your attempt to be edgy has fallen utterly flat, and you are now simply a douchebag exemplifying Skarka's Law.

We, it seems then that we agree on how "freedom of speech" does't bar a dude from showing his cluessness. Thanks for being the second guy posting here to exemplify a point.

Ah, BTW, it's not me who tries to be "edgy" by stating that "the gang rape guys have the freedom of speech to make a 'session' about gang rape", or that satanists have the freedom to practice satanism, or that organized religions have the right to kill animals: it's the US Law, upheld by the Supreme Court. And before sputtering some righteous stupidity about the killing of animals due to religious beliefs, think of Kosher: many smartasses wannabes break their noses right here.

Try reading a book.

Quote from: Reckall;351475We, it seems then that we agree on how "freedom of speech" does't bar a dude from showing his cluessness. Thanks for being the second guy posting here to exemplify a point.

Ah, BTW, it's not me who tries to be "edgy" by stating that "the gang rape guys have the freedom of speech to make a 'session' about gang rape", or that satanists have the freedom to practice satanism, or that organized religions have the right to kill animals: it's the US Law, upheld by the Supreme Court. And before sputtering some righteous stupidity about the killing of animals due to religious beliefs, think of Kosher: many smartasses wannabes break their noses right here.

Try reading a book.

Go ahead and find the post where I talk about Satanism. While you are at it, find the post where I claim they shouldn't be allowed to publish a game about gang rape.

 If you just want to spout verbal diarrhea around freedom of speech, get a blog.  Otherwise, you are continuing to defend a highly offensive topic to your own detriment.

Quote from: StormBringer;351489If you just want to spout verbal diarrhea around freedom of speech, get a blog.  Otherwise, you are continuing to defend a highly offensive topic to your own detriment.

Freedom of Speech is "an highly offensive topic"?! Since when?? I'm not sure you are having a grip on what you are writing. :rolleyes:

Quote from: Reckall;351494Freedom of Speech is "an highly offensive topic"?! Since when?? I'm not sure you are having a grip on what you are writing. :rolleyes:

Holy shit, you are just going to take the role of douchebag and run with it, then?

Seriously, you are pretty much the only one who would have posted that first sentence, and your reasons have nothing to do with good faith.  Take your need to be edgy over to tBP, where your passive-aggressive bullshit is tolerated.  Over here, you are just a douchebag.

Quote from: StormBringer;351497Holy shit, you are just going to take the role of douchebag and run with it, then?

Seriously, you are pretty much the only one who would have posted that first sentence, and your reasons have nothing to do with good faith.  Take your need to be edgy over to tBP, where your passive-aggressive bullshit is tolerated.  Over here, you are just a douchebag.

No kidding. :rolleyes:

Reckall, don't be a cocksmock.

Freedom of speech means people can write and publish a gang rape experience if they want to, they can even wrongly call it a "game" if they want to.

Freedom of speech also means people can then call the first lot reprehensible and puerile wankers.

You know this. Stop being a cocksmock about it. As Stormy said, that's rpg.net behaviour, it doesn't fly here because we really do have freedom of speech here. Which of course upsets reprehensible and puerile wankers, but there you go. This is therpgsite, where people are called on their bullshit.

I'm calling you on your bullshit. If you want to defend this non-game, go ahead. Don't be a wuss about it and babble on about the unrelated issue of freedom of speech.

I'll just wait for the 4th edition version, which will certainly be Disney-fied.