I get the frustration, I really do. But investing your personality into a franchise owned by people who hate you is textbook battered wife behavior. Shoot your abusive husband in the face with a shotgun and find a new one who doesn't hate you.

Star Wars is dead, never coming back, and Disney will send C&Ds if you try to fix it.

We live in a capitalist society. Disney isn't making product people want. It's time for someone else to step and sell products people want to buy.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on June 24, 2024, 11:43:50 AMI get the frustration, I really do. But investing your personality into a franchise owned by people who hate you is textbook battered wife behavior. Shoot your abusive husband in the face with a shotgun and find a new one who doesn't hate you.

Star Wars is dead, never coming back, and Disney will send C&Ds if you try to fix it.

We live in a capitalist society. Disney isn't making product people want. It's time for someone else to step and sell products people want to buy.

Just to make this clear to you since you insist on being a clueless fuck, I DO NOT SUPPORT DISNEY+ OR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO THE STAR WARS FRANCHISE. If I did, then why am I promoting Fan Films and not The Acolyte? I support what Star Wars was and used to represent, before Disney+ woke bullshit wrecked it.

If you think that is cult behavior and that I am a battered wife and that I am woke, you can shove that degenerate misconception right up your ass.

I'm putting you on ignore. There is no value in what you post.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on June 24, 2024, 11:43:50 AMI get the frustration, I really do. But investing your personality into a franchise owned by people who hate you is textbook battered wife behavior. Shoot your abusive husband in the face with a shotgun and find a new one who doesn't hate you.

Star Wars is dead, never coming back, and Disney will send C&Ds if you try to fix it.

We live in a capitalist society. Disney isn't making product people want. It's time for someone else to step and sell products people want to buy.

Quote from: jeff37923 on June 24, 2024, 01:51:40 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on June 24, 2024, 11:43:50 AMI get the frustration, I really do. But investing your personality into a franchise owned by people who hate you is textbook battered wife behavior. Shoot your abusive husband in the face with a shotgun and find a new one who doesn't hate you.

Star Wars is dead, never coming back, and Disney will send C&Ds if you try to fix it.

We live in a capitalist society. Disney isn't making product people want. It's time for someone else to step and sell products people want to buy.

Just to make this clear to you since you insist on being a clueless fuck, I DO NOT SUPPORT DISNEY+ OR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO THE STAR WARS FRANCHISE. If I did, then why am I promoting Fan Films and not The Acolyte? I support what Star Wars was and used to represent, before Disney+ woke bullshit wrecked it.

If you think that is cult behavior and that I am a battered wife and that I am woke, you can shove that degenerate misconception right up your ass.

I'm putting you on ignore. There is no value in what you post.

Gentlemen, please. You both have your points.

It is true that mainline Star Wars products have little-to-no-hope so long as Disney controls the IP, and I seriously doubt that's about to change. People need to stop wasting their time holding their breath, waiting for a messianic figure to rise and reboot the franchise; above that, people definitely need to stop giving these franchise-ruining corporate entities money. I have not given Disney, as a whole, a single cent in nearly three years. That's not about to change, either. Time and money is indeed better invested in new properties that aren't demeaning to one personally. If you need "more" Star Wars, buy used products from third parties.

That said, fanbases are certainly capable of generating high-quality content all on their own. I have seen numerous knock-off Star Wars tabletop RPG supplements, novel-length fan fiction, fan films, fan comics, you name it. Star Wars doesn't have to die just because a Mouse stole its face.

Another Star Wars Fan Films that is better than Disney+

Quote from: SmallMountaineer on June 26, 2024, 12:43:44 PMThat said, fanbases are certainly capable of generating high-quality content all on their own. I have seen numerous knock-off Star Wars tabletop RPG supplements, novel-length fan fiction, fan films, fan comics, you name it. Star Wars doesn't have to die just because a Mouse stole its face.

Is that sustainable? Can the fans actually sustain the IP without being able to monetize the brand name? I keep hearing people say they can just make fanfic to keep the brand alive, but I've yet to see any successful examples of this with any dead brand. Can you name any?

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on June 26, 2024, 01:26:17 PM

Quote from: SmallMountaineer on June 26, 2024, 12:43:44 PMThat said, fanbases are certainly capable of generating high-quality content all on their own. I have seen numerous knock-off Star Wars tabletop RPG supplements, novel-length fan fiction, fan films, fan comics, you name it. Star Wars doesn't have to die just because a Mouse stole its face.

Is that sustainable? Can the fans actually sustain the IP without being able to monetize the brand name? I keep hearing people say they can just make fanfic to keep the brand alive, but I've yet to see any successful examples of this with any dead brand. Can you name any?

Well Star Wars is by no means dead yet. Its pre-owned books still cycle through stores like nothing else, you still see its t-shirts in public, related content and commentary still surges on Youtube, it still dominates fan fiction comparable only to Harry Potter, everyone still talks about KOTOR like a hallow relic. Off-brand RPG's like Black Star and Interstellar Rebels sell as well as any off-brand product can with negligible visibility, Rebel Moon's entire hype train was over it being alt-Star Wars.

Quote from: SmallMountaineer on June 26, 2024, 01:33:07 PMWell Star Wars is by no means dead yet.

That's exactly it. It's not dead, so we can't really say whether fans can sustain a dead franchise by themselves. I think that's something important to keep in mind, once the current corporate landscape finishes imploding.

Long running franchises are, in the grand scheme of things, a very young concept and complicated by the messiness of ridiculously extended copyright law. Fandoms are likewise a very young phenomenon.

For those still playing the incredible d6 Star Wars RPG, here is a nifty free adventure Operation: Bantha Fodder. You can have a lot of fun with this one!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SyB089SCN1HJk4imAmxDDYMA3lmNbs7H/view?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1O-zufCYboCvg7DEig1pQ--mjESRkAvjuPTEgHkCUAkObyDWx1ypp7oDc_aem_tzfSE2apMRDLx1PxUXxZDQ

Another fun adventure from the same creator, come on and enjoy Secrets of the Golden Monkey Lizard.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xHlf7gwynSMceLIO7FZBaXtezc9WnD8j/view?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0urlq0xvN-AzItRBlCDXJZKj6SA4RTgrIf0qLDNX312Xp23X3xPpPitRw_aem_J6nbvyHsMEi2JDKr5cl_4A

A couple of more fan films.

A poignant vignette for viewing.....

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on June 26, 2024, 02:38:45 PMThat's exactly it. It's not dead, so we can't really say whether fans can sustain a dead franchise by themselves. I think that's something important to keep in mind, once the current corporate landscape finishes imploding.

I don't even know what a successful fandom-run franchise would even look like. Say, for example, that a massive community of fans started making content for Hawk the Slayer. Since the fans don't own the IP, whoever does will see all this interest and crank out a cash-grab Hawk the Slayer reboot, which would only ruin the franchise. We've see this exact thing happen recently with He-Man and D&D (and other, lesser properties).

Which is why I think that making and promoting fan-made material for any corporate owned IP is just funneling money into the pockets of whatever entity owns the trademarks. So, all these fan-made Star Wars videos are helping Disney just as much as subscribing to Disney+. 

Quote from: hedgehobbit on July 11, 2024, 09:00:41 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on June 26, 2024, 02:38:45 PMThat's exactly it. It's not dead, so we can't really say whether fans can sustain a dead franchise by themselves. I think that's something important to keep in mind, once the current corporate landscape finishes imploding.

I don't even know what a successful fandom-run franchise would even look like. Say, for example, that a massive community of fans started making content for Hawk the Slayer. Since the fans don't own the IP, whoever does will see all this interest and crank out a cash-grab Hawk the Slayer reboot, which would only ruin the franchise. We've see this exact thing happen recently with He-Man and D&D (and other, lesser properties).

Which is why I think that making and promoting fan-made material for any corporate owned IP is just funneling money into the pockets of whatever entity owns the trademarks. So, all these fan-made Star Wars videos are helping Disney just as much as subscribing to Disney+. 

Yeah. The promotion angle is one reason why I don't write fanfiction. I believe in copyright reform so that companies don't own these IPs anymore. Trademark law is already sufficient for what they use copyright for.

Quote from: hedgehobbit on July 11, 2024, 09:00:41 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on June 26, 2024, 02:38:45 PMThat's exactly it. It's not dead, so we can't really say whether fans can sustain a dead franchise by themselves. I think that's something important to keep in mind, once the current corporate landscape finishes imploding.

I don't even know what a successful fandom-run franchise would even look like. Say, for example, that a massive community of fans started making content for Hawk the Slayer. Since the fans don't own the IP, whoever does will see all this interest and crank out a cash-grab Hawk the Slayer reboot, which would only ruin the franchise. We've see this exact thing happen recently with He-Man and D&D (and other, lesser properties).

Which is why I think that making and promoting fan-made material for any corporate owned IP is just funneling money into the pockets of whatever entity owns the trademarks. So, all these fan-made Star Wars videos are helping Disney just as much as subscribing to Disney+. 

OK, this sounds like your own personal failure of imagination.

Now, explain to me how fan made material for the same franchise that a big corporation is fucking up, helps that big corporation. Does it help by showing them how to treat the material right? Does the contrast where a no budget fan product is more popular than a multi-million dollar pile of shit that fans dunk on may cause the big corporation to maybe rethink their ways?

The fans are not the property of the corporation. The fans will only pay attention to the media as long as it stays true to its roots. Disney is making the same mistake that Hasbro/WotC has made with D&D. Does that mean you stop playing a game that has brought you enjoyment for years or does it mean you stop playing the woke corporate bullshit they expect you to buy?

And as far as "we don't know because it's not dead", you myopic motherfuckers need to read what is posted in this thread and remember that the WEG d6 Star Wars RPG line ended back before 2000 AND THE FANS ARE STILL KEEPING IT ALIVE.

A handful of fans clinging to an officially unsupported game is hardly an indicator of success. There's numerous tiny communities like that and they're, well, tiny.

As I've said before, you're better off making original IPs. For one thing, you can monetize it and invest that money back into it. As a hobby, you're working a second job that costs you money.

As One Page Rules has shown, you can create a very similar product without worrying about getting a C&D. They're even making their own lore and short stories.