Quote from: ForgottenF on September 28, 2024, 12:42:34 AMA lot of Hollywood is built on the image of "movie stars"; the glamour, the cult of personality, the parasocial relationships etc. Lose that, and I wonder how much ticket sales would drop as a result.

I don't think they will go straight into a full digital actor right away. But there many beloved characters that are, already, full CGI: Rocket Racoon, Groot, Battle Angle Alita for example. Plus the Avatar movies are two of the biggest money making movies of all time and most of the characters in those movies are full CGI.

As for more human-looking, there is an issue with uncanny valley but they seem to be close to solving that. Take the scenes in Indiana Jones 5 where they have young Indiana Jones. In that case, they de-aged Harrison Ford, but they could have just as easily used a separate body double and just put Harrison Ford's young face on top like they did with Luke Skywalker.

So I think that with enough marketing, a full CGI character or a digital version of a beloved older character could provide enough appeal to replace the "star power" of a real human being.

Honestly, I'm kind of tired of the "super star" aspect of movies that has developed. Many actors get paid way too much money, while others don't get paid enough. And if AI makes it easier for film makers to make a movie because they can pay less to make it, then that's good.

There was a video recently on the mess the Jaws 3D movie became after the company re-released it in HD with "AI remastering"... some of the AI-isms were hilariously horrible.

I think we are going to see more of these digital disasters. And there were already plenty with non-AI digital remastering.

In the last Indiana Jones opus (not so bad as expected), the younger version of Harrison Ford made your point.
Physical actors are not needed any more.
As far as IA are concerned, I 'm still building an opinion for myself...

Quote from: Omega on October 13, 2024, 11:34:20 PMThere was a video recently on the mess the Jaws 3D movie became after the company re-released it in HD with "AI remastering"... some of the AI-isms were hilariously horrible.

I went to the movies to see that one! The 3D made it watchable, but just barely. I remember feeling bad for Dennis Quaid. Glad he made a comeback with Innerspace!

With the current state of AI rendering techniques, I expect to see more fuckery than not. However... I fully support bringing back MAX HEADROOM with AI! Now that would be GLORIOUS! lol

I feel bad for conservative creatives. Actors, musicians, makeup artists, roboticists, VFX artists, writers... they'll all be put out of business because the CEO can now fire everyone else in the company and just put prompts into the AI instead.

Full AI digital replacement is still years away tbh. Realistic human faces takes way too much time and money for studios to want a full digital 'actor' in their movies. People on forums still debate how realistic partial face renders are i.e. General Tarkin, Princess Leia, Mando Era Luke, and that's just in Star Wars. Movie studios will never pay digital artists enough to make realistic and effective digital portraits (ex. The Flash, 'nuff said) that people won't dogpile on until the end of time.

Quote from: MoFoCThat on December 20, 2024, 03:21:33 AMFull AI digital replacement is still years away tbh. Realistic human faces takes way too much time and money for studios to want a full digital 'actor' in their movies. People on forums still debate how realistic partial face renders are i.e. General Tarkin, Princess Leia, Mando Era Luke, and that's just in Star Wars. Movie studios will never pay digital artists enough to make realistic and effective digital portraits (ex. The Flash, 'nuff said) that people won't dogpile on until the end of time.

I'm not even convinced we'll even hit the raw power and processing requirements for AI to get too much past its current state. People in the industry talk about the amount of processors needed for one AGI as requiring about twice the current total power generation of the entire planet currently and need something like ten times the amount of rare earths that have been mined in our entire history. And none of it has turned all that profitable in the meantime... lots of capital investment, but actual profits?

This feels like VR all over again. Lots of promises, but what we'll end up with something much more modest... mostly profitable in fields where a limited AI like we have now can add quality or performance. Ex. video game mob behavior, vfx motion capture, or how Elon just used his AI to read and summarize that entire 1500 page pork bill into something a human could understand in practically no time.

Quote from: Chris24601 on December 20, 2024, 08:42:01 AM

Quote from: MoFoCThat on December 20, 2024, 03:21:33 AMFull AI digital replacement is still years away tbh. Realistic human faces takes way too much time and money for studios to want a full digital 'actor' in their movies. People on forums still debate how realistic partial face renders are i.e. General Tarkin, Princess Leia, Mando Era Luke, and that's just in Star Wars. Movie studios will never pay digital artists enough to make realistic and effective digital portraits (ex. The Flash, 'nuff said) that people won't dogpile on until the end of time.

I'm not even convinced we'll even hit the raw power and processing requirements for AI to get too much past its current state. People in the industry talk about the amount of processors needed for one AGI as requiring about twice the current total power generation of the entire planet currently and need something like ten times the amount of rare earths that have been mined in our entire history. And none of it has turned all that profitable in the meantime... lots of capital investment, but actual profits?

This feels like VR all over again. Lots of promises, but what we'll end up with something much more modest... mostly profitable in fields where a limited AI like we have now can add quality or performance. Ex. video game mob behavior, vfx motion capture, or how Elon just used his AI to read and summarize that entire 1500 page pork bill into something a human could understand in practically no time.

AI won't replace actors in live-action productions any time soon. However, it's reasonable to expect AI to replace most voice actors in videogames and animated films. Motion capture probably won't be needed in a few years either.