To you what is freedom? Is it a state of being? Is it a legal term? Or legal state? Is it obtainable?
...just another word for nothing left to lose?
RPGPundit
How long is a piece of string?
Seriously, your question is too vague. Go post about rpgs, instead of unanswerable vagueness and flaming RPGPundit.
Quote from: Serious PaulTo you what is freedom? Is it a state of being? Is it a legal term? Or legal state? Is it obtainable?
Self determination.
For an interesting and valid take on the 'freedom issue" you should read the short story "Cloak of Anarchy" by Larry Niven. It's an example of how bad a thing "total freedom" could be for most people.
For examples of where western society is heading now, read "brave new world" and "1984".....
Quote from: Dominus NoxFor examples of where western society is heading now, read "brave new world" and "1984".....
Have you actually read either of those?
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Quote from: Dominus NoxFor examples of where western society is heading now, read "brave new world" and "1984".....
BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HAH
"The free development of each is the condition for the free development of all."
Quote from: RPGPunditHave you actually read either of those?
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I don't think he's actually literate enough. I'm pretty sure he gets all his ideas from KKK rallies and Air America Radio.
Quote from: J ArcaneKKK rallies and Air America Radio.
And what an interesting combination that is, too.
Sometimes in reading Noxious' posts, I get the feeling that he has a split-personality disorder of some kind. One personality posts the KKK racist crap, and the other posts the over-the-top utterly obvious anti-Bush ranty stuff. Only both are idiots and have some peculiar fascination with Steven Colbert style Truthiness, yet lacking any hint of Colbert's ironic twist on topics.
It's really sort of disturbing in a sad way to think of someone so dense that they sit in their house thinking of the bullshit he does. Then I realize Noxious is an utterly completely average American, and I vomit just a little in my mouth.
Quote from: PhishStyxAnd what an interesting combination that is, too.
Sometimes in reading Noxious' posts, I get the feeling that he has a split-personality disorder of some kind. One personality posts the KKK racist crap, and the other posts the over-the-top utterly obvious anti-Bush ranty stuff. Only both are idiots and have some peculiar fascination with Steven Colbert style Truthiness, yet lacking any hint of Colbert's ironic twist on topics.
It's really sort of disturbing in a sad way to think of someone so dense that they sit in their house thinking of the bullshit he does. Then I realize Noxious is an utterly completely average American, and I vomit just a little in my mouth.
And just where, fuckwit, do you get any evidence to call me a "racist" from? I've busted on muslims, but guess what, dickhead?
BEING MUSLIM ISN'T A RACE, IT'S A RELIGION!!!Now fucktards like you, steve jackson, andy hackard and some other PC morons will say that bashing islam is "RACISM!!!" because most muslims are arabs. Well, by your fucktarded logic, hating nazis makes you an anti-white racist because most nazis were white!
When i bust on islam, I'm busting on a belief, not a race. Now show me any evidence of me making statements against people based on their race, not religion (they're different things, fucktard) or stop calling me a "RACIST!!!'
In other words, put up or shut the fuck up.
Quote from: Dominus NoxFor an interesting and valid take on the 'freedom issue" you should read the short story "Cloak of Anarchy" by Larry Niven. It's an example of how bad a thing "total freedom" could be for most people.
For examples of where western society is heading now, read "brave new world" and "1984".....
I hate to disillusion you Dominus but these are fiction.Larry Niven is right wing in his politics, so he is going to make out that if the sonic stunning drones fail then all hell breaks loose.1984 is obviously Orwell's take on communism, which has had its day.
Why not research some stuff on anarchists that did constructive things and actually helped each other in the real world? Or are you too scared or immature to accept that not everyone is a ravening monster waiting to rape/rob/murder you.;)
Quote from: JimBobOzSeriously, your question is too vague.
Then don't answer it.
QuoteGo post about rpgs, instead of unanswerable vagueness and flaming RPGPundit.
As I understand the terms of usage here I am well with in my rights as a poster to post this. Are you suggesting I shouldn't be allowed to post freely?
Seems to me the meaning of "freedom" is relative. I would call the USA a free country, because our people are free to move about with very little restriction, we can badmouth the government and say pretty much anything we want, as long as it doesn't do measurable harm to someone else (heck, even then we might get away with it). We are free to find a do pretty much any type of work we can. We can buy almost anything we want as long as we can afford it. If we can manage to click things into place we can become rich (then, if we play our cards wrong then right, we can lose it and then get it back again). We can love pretty much who we want, and we can live with pretty much who we want.
There are some "freedoms" we don't have, some good, some bad. I like that I'm not free to murder others, abuse children, steal things, etc. I don't agree that homosexual people shouldn't be allowed to marry, or that men don't have more say in aborting a child. I feel the government has too much influence in how businesses are run, and I feel some taxes are against the spirit of our system.
Overall, this is "freedom" from my perspective. Just about anyone else you ask will have a more or less different idea of what the word means, I would think.
A kilt.
Quote from: One Horse TownA kilt.
:ponder:
Fair enough. :)
Quote from: Serious PaulAs I understand the terms of usage here I am well with in my rights as a poster to post this. Are you suggesting I shouldn't be allowed to post freely?
Me? No, I think you should be banned.
You're not here to talk about rpgs. This
therpgsite, not
tellRPGPunditHe'sACockSite, or
VaguePoliticalMusingsSite. Roleaying games. If you're not here to talk about those, then you are just dead weight.
Telling RPGPundit he's a cock or talking politics - they're like the idle chat before a game session. They're an added bonus, not the actual point of the place; an entree, not the main course. We're here to talk rpgs. If you're not, you should be banned.
Otherwise, you're like the guy in a group of friends, all buying each-other rounds of drinks, when it comes to his turn - "oh, sorry lads, I'm tired, I'm not drinking anymore, so I won't buy a round."
Make your rpg contribution to therpgsite. That's what it's here for.
You're quite off topic. I don't think I'll need to reply to any of the garbage you seem to have bottled up inside of you. Kindly shut up, and let the rest of us discuss things like adults.
Now then where was I?
Quote from: RPG PUndit...just another word for nothing left to lose?
Isn't this a bit too tragic? Too rebellious? Too Emo is what I want to say, but I do think you mean something more than what some tragically hip kid means, so I am asking you to explain yourself here.
Quote from: apparition13Self determination.
Interesting. I think I'd want to hear more before I completely agree. Care to elaborate?
Quote from: SigmundSeems to me the meaning of "freedom" is relative. I would call the USA a free country, because our people are free to move about with very little restriction, we can badmouth the government and say pretty much anything we want, as long as it doesn't do measurable harm to someone else (heck, even then we might get away with it). We are free to find a do pretty much any type of work we can. We can buy almost anything we want as long as we can afford it. If we can manage to click things into place we can become rich (then, if we play our cards wrong then right, we can lose it and then get it back again). We can love pretty much who we want, and we can live with pretty much who we want.
There are some "freedoms" we don't have, some good, some bad. I like that I'm not free to murder others, abuse children, steal things, etc. I don't agree that homosexual people shouldn't be allowed to marry, or that men don't have more say in aborting a child. I feel the government has too much influence in how businesses are run, and I feel some taxes are against the spirit of our system.
Overall, this is "freedom" from my perspective. Just about anyone else you ask will have a more or less different idea of what the word means, I would think.
QFT
QuoteOriginally Posted by RPG PUndit
...just another word for nothing left to lose?
Ah, Janis Joplin. Worst singer that ever made it big. And by "worst" I mean tone, pitch, and that sort of shiznit. As an actual artist she gets mad respect from me.
Quote from: JimBobOzMe? No, I think you should be banned.
You're not here to talk about rpgs. This therpgsite, not tellRPGPunditHe'sACockSite, or VaguePoliticalMusingsSite. Roleaying games. If you're not here to talk about those, then you are just dead weight.
Did you happen to look up at the top of this forum and see what it's called? If he were to actually post RPG stuff here he'd be a lot closer to being in the wrong than he is with "vague political bullshit."
Quote from: Serious PaulIsn't this a bit too tragic? Too rebellious? Too Emo is what I want to say, but I do think you mean something more than what some tragically hip kid means, so I am asking you to explain yourself here.
It's a quote - Kris Kristofferson's
Me and Bobby McGee, made famous by Janis Joplin. That's all.
Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose
Nothin' ain't worth nothin' if it ain't free
Feelin' good was easy, Lord, when Bobby sang the blues
Feelin' good was good enough for me
Good enough for me and my Bobby McGee
It's just pop song lyrics.
The man ain't got no culture!
:D
-clash
No I got it, I am just wondering why he choose it. Is that how he really feels? Or was he just listening to some Janis while he was posting? (How am I to know?)
Quote from: Serious PaulNo I got it, I am just wondering why he choose it. Is that how he really feels? Or was he just listening to some Janis while he was posting? (How am I to know?)
Probably the first thing that popped into his mind when he read the title. That's exactly what happened to me. I was surprised and laughed when I read his post, because I was going to post the same thing. :D
-clash
Edit: I was indeed under the impression you didn't follow the reference. I am considerably older than most RPG players, and thought maybe you bein' a young'un might not have caught it.
I'm 32, but my mother loved Janis Joplin with a passion. My parents made sure I got a good healthy exposure to the classics. I have 7,000 or so CDs. (I love music, even if I have no musical talent what so ever.)
Quote from: Dominus Noxjust fuckwit you any to me "racist"? busted muslims guess dickhead? MUSLIM A IT'S RELIGION!!!
fucktards you jackson hackard some PC will that islam "RACISM!!!" most are arabs. by fucktarded hating makes an racist most were!
i on islam, busting a belief a race. show any of making against based their not (they're things, fucktard) stop calling me!!!!!
In words, up shut fuck.
Yer Kyoot when yer frothy!
Quote from: Serious PaulInteresting. I think I'd want to hear more before I completely agree. Care to elaborate?
I think it's fairly straightforward. The longer version that is integral to my ethical system is "your life, your rules, your decisions". In other words, the extent to which you are able to live your life by your rules and your decisions, ie. self determination, is the extent to which you have freedom/liberty.
Freedom is that sliver on the Venn diagram between what you want to do and what other are willing to allow you to do.