The Movie Thread Reloaded

[Pat]

The themes were kind of broken. For instance, one of the key ideas is that Shang-chi feels shame about killing, and about hiding that from his friend. Except they had a fight earlier in the movie where he was literally throwing people off the side of a skyscraper. From the powerups to the themes, most of it felt like it didn't quite connect.

With that I disagree. Shang-Chi is ashamed of ASSASSINATION he did on his father orders. That's VERY VERY different than simply killing guys attacking you in nefarious reasons in self-defence, and I am damned tired of superhero comics trying to imply self-defence is murder, fuck them. Batman was better when he was shooting gangsters with glock. Superman was better when he just smashed entire plane squadrons of III Reich.

That's not the conversation that Shang-Chi had.

And fuck your complete failure to multi-quote. You alone make threads much harder to read, and it's completely avoidable. At the very least don't combine quotes from two different people into the same post if you're going to strip out every last trace of attribution.

[Wrath of God]

That's not the conversation that Shang-Chi had.

You mean conversation where he admits to Aquafina that he fullfilled mission his father send him to do in USA. Which is to assassinate some of dad's enemies?

[Omega]

Soooooo... Bits and pieces of info are coming out about the Flash/Flashpoint movie. And whooooeee is it looking bad. One of the proposals was to erase the main male characters and replace them with female ones. Supergirl, Batgirl, etc. Then changes and more changes. I'll be surprised if it even makes it to production at this rate.

[hedgehobbit]

Soooooo... Bits and pieces of info are coming out about the Flash/Flashpoint movie. And whooooeee is it looking bad. One of the proposals was to erase the main male characters and replace them with female ones. Supergirl, Batgirl, etc. Then changes and more changes. I'll be surprised if it even makes it to production at this rate.

I'm starting to agree with YoungRippa that multiverses (and alternate realities and timelines) are always bad. It isn't that you can't make a good multiverse movie, it's just that they are always used in a lazy way to swap out actors or bring old characters back. Plus they really do lower the stakes in a movie since character death doesn't matter. Even relatively decent ones, like Into the Spider-verse, still lessen the impact of character death. Spider-man dies early in that movie but no one cares because a new Spider-man just shows up a few minutes later.


Also, I noticed this morning that The Batman is now on HBO Max so if you have a subscription to that service you can watch it.

[Omega]

In Flashpoints case its not a multiverse problem. Its the damn over over over over over used time travel reset gag.

In the Flashpoint comic it was just used to do another "what if" story. But in the proposed movie it was to sideline or outright get rid of male characters. What the new scripts will do is anyones guess.

[Lurkndog]

I'm starting to agree with YoungRippa that multiverses (and alternate realities and timelines) are always bad. It isn't that you can't make a good multiverse movie, it's just that they are always used in a lazy way to swap out actors or bring old characters back. Plus they really do lower the stakes in a movie since character death doesn't matter. Even relatively decent ones, like Into the Spider-verse, still lessen the impact of character death. Spider-man dies early in that movie but no one cares because a new Spider-man just shows up a few minutes later.

I cared. Killing off the real Peter Parker kind of ruined it for me, and substituting a lesser Parker didn't help. Also, the Kingpin is not the Hulk.

[Pat]

I finished the Mandalorian.

Wow. I never expected a positive and masculine portrayal of fatherhood from Disney.

[Lurkndog]

I finished the Mandalorian.

Wow. I never expected a positive and masculine portrayal of fatherhood from Disney.

I'm looking forward to Season 3. Which we should be getting by the end of the year (2022) .

There was a rumor that Mando S3 could debut as early as this summer, but I don't believe that. They have Kenobi coming out in May, and the Cassian Andor series after that. It looks like Ahsoka will come out after Mando S3,  as it is apparently filming now.

[Pat]

I finished the Mandalorian.

Wow. I never expected a positive and masculine portrayal of fatherhood from Disney.

I'm looking forward to Season 3. Which we should be getting by the end of the year (2022) .

There was a rumor that Mando S3 could debut as early as this summer, but I don't believe that. They have Kenobi coming out in May, and the Cassian Andor series after that. It looks like Ahsoka will come out after Mando S3,  as it is apparently filming now.

I was mildly disappointed with Ahsoka. They didn't do much with her, or really explore why she rejected the Child. But a show should allow her room for development.

Season 2 felt like a shift toward cinematic heroism. While it's appealing from a fanservice perspective, I'm not sure it's the best path for the show. I felt the best episodes of the Mandalorian were the stand-alone ones, really playing up on the Man with No Name tropes, with small stakes, the sense that even ordinary foes could be dangerous, and victories that were achieved through cleverness. Not taking on hordes of stormtroopers with no real sense of risk.

[Eirikrautha]

I finished the Mandalorian.

Wow. I never expected a positive and masculine portrayal of fatherhood from Disney.

I'm looking forward to Season 3. Which we should be getting by the end of the year (2022) .

There was a rumor that Mando S3 could debut as early as this summer, but I don't believe that. They have Kenobi coming out in May, and the Cassian Andor series after that. It looks like Ahsoka will come out after Mando S3,  as it is apparently filming now.

I was mildly disappointed with Ahsoka. They didn't do much with her, or really explore why she rejected the Child. But a show should allow her room for development.

Season 2 felt like a shift toward cinematic heroism. While it's appealing from a fanservice perspective, I'm not sure it's the best path for the show. I felt the best episodes of the Mandalorian were the stand-alone ones, really playing up on the Man with No Name tropes, with small stakes, the sense that even ordinary foes could be dangerous, and victories that were achieved through cleverness. Not taking on hordes of stormtroopers with no real sense of risk.

There were only so many episodes of Lone Wolf and Cub to be ripped off before Disney had to revert to its mean...

[Ratman_tf]

I finished the Mandalorian.

Wow. I never expected a positive and masculine portrayal of fatherhood from Disney.

I'm looking forward to Season 3. Which we should be getting by the end of the year (2022) .

There was a rumor that Mando S3 could debut as early as this summer, but I don't believe that. They have Kenobi coming out in May, and the Cassian Andor series after that. It looks like Ahsoka will come out after Mando S3,  as it is apparently filming now.

I was mildly disappointed with Ahsoka. They didn't do much with her, or really explore why she rejected the Child. But a show should allow her room for development.

Season 2 felt like a shift toward cinematic heroism. While it's appealing from a fanservice perspective, I'm not sure it's the best path for the show. I felt the best episodes of the Mandalorian were the stand-alone ones, really playing up on the Man with No Name tropes, with small stakes, the sense that even ordinary foes could be dangerous, and victories that were achieved through cleverness. Not taking on hordes of stormtroopers with no real sense of risk.

There were only so many episodes of Lone Wolf and Cub to be ripped off before Disney had to revert to its mean...

I haven't read Lone Wolf and Cub, but there was a shift in season two. A shitton more characters from the EU and films showing up. While there were a few great epsiodes in season two, there was a lot of stuff that felt very "Star Wars Status Quo" as well.

[Ratman_tf]

I finished the Mandalorian.

Wow. I never expected a positive and masculine portrayal of fatherhood from Disney.

I'm looking forward to Season 3. Which we should be getting by the end of the year (2022) .

There was a rumor that Mando S3 could debut as early as this summer, but I don't believe that. They have Kenobi coming out in May, and the Cassian Andor series after that. It looks like Ahsoka will come out after Mando S3,  as it is apparently filming now.

I was mildly disappointed with Ahsoka. They didn't do much with her, or really explore why she rejected the Child. But a show should allow her room for development.

Season 2 felt like a shift toward cinematic heroism. While it's appealing from a fanservice perspective, I'm not sure it's the best path for the show. I felt the best episodes of the Mandalorian were the stand-alone ones, really playing up on the Man with No Name tropes, with small stakes, the sense that even ordinary foes could be dangerous, and victories that were achieved through cleverness. Not taking on hordes of stormtroopers with no real sense of risk.

Mandalorian Season One did more with a single TIE Fighter or Scout Walker than the sequel films did with entire Death Stars and fleets of ships.

[Pat]

I finished the Mandalorian.

Wow. I never expected a positive and masculine portrayal of fatherhood from Disney.

I'm looking forward to Season 3. Which we should be getting by the end of the year (2022) .

There was a rumor that Mando S3 could debut as early as this summer, but I don't believe that. They have Kenobi coming out in May, and the Cassian Andor series after that. It looks like Ahsoka will come out after Mando S3,  as it is apparently filming now.

I was mildly disappointed with Ahsoka. They didn't do much with her, or really explore why she rejected the Child. But a show should allow her room for development.

Season 2 felt like a shift toward cinematic heroism. While it's appealing from a fanservice perspective, I'm not sure it's the best path for the show. I felt the best episodes of the Mandalorian were the stand-alone ones, really playing up on the Man with No Name tropes, with small stakes, the sense that even ordinary foes could be dangerous, and victories that were achieved through cleverness. Not taking on hordes of stormtroopers with no real sense of risk.

Mandalorian Season One did more with a single TIE Fighter or Scout Walker than the sequel films did with entire Death Stars and fleets of ships.

Exactly.

[Lurkndog]

Lone Wolf and Cub is definitely worth reading, there were also some pretty solid Japanese movie adaptations.

How MUCH of it you read is entirely up to you, though. There were 28 volumes of it published by Dark Horse Comics in North America.

I think I own three or four.

I definitely recommend picking up the first volume, which has a lot of the classic bits in it.

Animeigo brought out the movies in North America, and did their usual top-notch job with them, no idea if they are still in print.

[Pat]

I didn't know this existed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxN1T1uxQ2g

But I want to see it.

(Everything Everywhere All at Once. Michelle Yeoh. Multiverse. Not Marvel.)