The Disney took the themes away from Samurai-Western concepts of honor, duty, family, and justice... and it became generic woke sci-fi fantasy with tolerance, forced multiculturalism, teh ghey, and moral relativism.

To me, Star Wars worked best as a Samurai-Western concept with the thin veneer of laser swords and blasters. Once you take steps away from that, it doesn't work so well.

IMO, modern storytellers are too wrapped up in their own sh-t. They don't understand things like story structure, the hero's journey, the classics like the Iliad or even Kurosawa's movies. That's the fundamental problem to me. Say what you want about Mel Gibson, but that sonofabitch knows story structure. And most other modern storytellers do not understand that at all.

Quote from: bromides on February 25, 2025, 11:26:12 AMThe Disney took the themes away from Samurai-Western concepts of honor, duty, family, and justice... and it became generic woke sci-fi fantasy with tolerance, forced multiculturalism, teh ghey, and moral relativism.

To me, Star Wars worked best as a Samurai-Western concept with the thin veneer of laser swords and blasters. Once you take steps away from that, it doesn't work so well.

IMO, modern storytellers are too wrapped up in their own sh-t. They don't understand things like story structure, the hero's journey, the classics like the Iliad or even Kurosawa's movies. That's the fundamental problem to me.

I partly agree, but I think Rogue One and The Mandalorian are the closest to pure Samurai-Western of the Star Wars properties, besides the original trilogy.

I definitely don't think the prequel trilogy or Clone Wars are anywhere close to Samurai-Western or honor, duty, family, and justice.

Andor was actually very good - as a show in general and not just genre material. Unfortunately, it came out when all the other shit like Obi Wan and worse The Acoylte was fouling the pool.

Quote from: bromides on February 25, 2025, 11:26:12 AMThe Disney took the themes away from Samurai-Western concepts of honor, duty, family, and justice... and it became generic woke sci-fi fantasy with tolerance, forced multiculturalism, teh ghey, and moral relativism.

To me, Star Wars worked best as a Samurai-Western concept with the thin veneer of laser swords and blasters. Once you take steps away from that, it doesn't work so well.

IMO, modern storytellers are too wrapped up in their own sh-t. They don't understand things like story structure, the hero's journey, the classics like the Iliad or even Kurosawa's movies. That's the fundamental problem to me. Say what you want about Mel Gibson, but that sonofabitch knows story structure. And most other modern storytellers do not understand that at all.

I couldn't possibly +1 this post enough!

Quote from: jhkim on February 25, 2025, 12:43:28 PM

Quote from: bromides on February 25, 2025, 11:26:12 AMThe Disney took the themes away from Samurai-Western concepts of honor, duty, family, and justice... and it became generic woke sci-fi fantasy with tolerance, forced multiculturalism, teh ghey, and moral relativism.

To me, Star Wars worked best as a Samurai-Western concept with the thin veneer of laser swords and blasters. Once you take steps away from that, it doesn't work so well.

IMO, modern storytellers are too wrapped up in their own sh-t. They don't understand things like story structure, the hero's journey, the classics like the Iliad or even Kurosawa's movies. That's the fundamental problem to me.

I partly agree, but I think Rogue One and The Mandalorian are the closest to pure Samurai-Western of the Star Wars properties, besides the original trilogy.

I definitely don't think the prequel trilogy or Clone Wars are anywhere close to Samurai-Western or honor, duty, family, and justice.

And when I think about the works from this century, the ones you mention are the only ones I really like. I think you hit the nail on the head.

But I guess I'm in the minority in that I actually enjoyed Solo. I'd rather watch it than the Prequels, although that's not saying much. I will only watch the Prequels as that spliced together mess of all three movies into one that I found years ago on the internet.

Season 2 of Andor is out.

Quote from: Kiero on March 26, 2025, 06:21:40 AMSeason 2 of Andor is out.

I haven't watched season 1 yet.