rpg.net forums down

[Kester Pelagius]

That's a good suggestion, but I know that Skotos devotes a bar minimum of their resources to keeping RPGnet running (i.e., the cheaper and quicker that they can fix problems with RPGnet, the better). The old search function issue was a great example -- rather than work out the bugs or upgrade the server (neither of which would have been too cost or time intensive), they just dropped the function entirely.

Good example.  Another would be the fact, if you try to go to RPGnet now, it returns either a "page can not be found" or "server can not be found" error page.  Whereas the Skotos main site, and it's forums, are perfectly accessible.  Yet, if memory serves, and this could have changed since then, it's been stated both sites are run off the same server.

So how is it one site is down but the other is not?

Simple enough.  One is a member "pay" site and one is not.

[Kester Pelagius]

Its not the Devil becasue its not RPG related, its the devil becasue it overpowers the RPG related boards, as for other media, its at least a little related... Firefly movie/game. Star Wars movie/game. Star Trek movie/game. Dune movie/novel/game. Comic Books Champions/DC Hero/Marvel Supers Heros/Heroes Unlimited/Nessesary Evil. Music inspires games etc etc etc...

C'mon!  It's not that bad.  And all this talk of Tangency being a community unto itself is utter nonsense!  Seriously it's not as if it has it's own livejornal blog or anything.  There is no secret community of Tangency!  

[jdrakeh]

Good example.  Another would be the fact, if you try to go to RPGnet now, it returns either a "page can not be found" or "server can not be found" error page.  Whereas the Skotos main site, and it's forums, are perfectly accessible.  Yet, if memory serves, and this could have changed since then, it's been stated both sites are run off the same server.

Actually, I believe that RPGnet is on its own server (acquired from Sandy Antunes, IIRC). This maybe incorrect, though. My memory is a bit fuzzy. That said, either way, I'm 100% positive about the policy regarding its maintenance.

[RPGPundit]

Once the forums come back, check that "Nazis Are Munchkins" thread at RP Open. Sorensen suddenly started claiming that the jokes in the thread are against the guidelines of the forum, and when the mods wanted to know exactly what the problem was, he began quoting the rules along with comments like "consider this your warning" and "my mod voice is black".

Cool. Maybe he'll come here. Maybe even manage to drag John Wick back with him, kicking and screaming if necessary.

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[RPGPundit]

Meh.  Let them turn it into Tangency.net.  It isn't like they weren't already openly condoning the derailment of any RPG related thread anyway.

Maybe it will be down long enough that some of the better posters will come over here and settle in.  I miss reading some of them.

Well, this place feels more and more to me like the OLD RPG.net felt way back when. Of course, the mods here are saner than theirs ever were, which is what bodes well for this place's future.

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[RPGPundit]

BTW, right now, while RPG.net is down, might be a very good time for ANY of you with a blog to advertise these forums on your blog.  Lots of people who otherwise might never have come here may give it a try just because they're suffering RPG.net withdrawl.

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[RPGPundit]

Story-games is kind of an opposite to this one (rpgsite). Where this one focuses too much on traditional games, Story-games focuses too much on new-shiny-weird. If the qualitiesof both could be put together and the faults of both could be ditched, you'd have a hell of a website.

Then there's Levi's gamecraft, which is unfortunately totally useless despite having some nice ideas to it.

There's isn't yet a balanced, all-around gaming website to take RPG.net's place.

I think this place is it. Any other place, where you try to mix RPGs and Storygames and give them and their fanatics equal time, will end up getting caught up in a mire of either flamewars or mod repression.  The two hobbies are not compatible online.

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[RedFox]

Good example.  Another would be the fact, if you try to go to RPGnet now, it returns either a "page can not be found" or "server can not be found" error page.  Whereas the Skotos main site, and it's forums, are perfectly accessible.  Yet, if memory serves, and this could have changed since then, it's been stated both sites are run off the same server.

So how is it one site is down but the other is not?

Simple enough.  One is a member "pay" site and one is not.

Umm, well the rpg.net problem is currently a forum database error.  So if Skotos has a separate forum with its own database...

[Consonant Dude]

I think this place is it.

It isn't balanced nor all-around, because of what follows what you just said:

Any other place, where you try to mix RPGs and Storygames and give them and their fanatics equal time, will end up getting caught up in a mire of either flamewars or mod repression.  The two hobbies are not compatible online.

Simply put, a lot of people don't draw clear lines between RPGs and "story games" the way others (like yourself) do. We can argue all day long about where the lines are, how clear the boundaries and the overlaps. And what each of the two extreme camps think and say about the "enemy".

But it really doesn't matter to some of us. We're quite happy with the diversity offered by roleplaying. And sooner or later I would hope a forum that is welcoming to all sorts of roleplaying games without going overboard in one direction or another will see the light of day. But until then, there is no such forum. RPG.net might be the closest to that but it is hampered by other problems.

That being said, RPGsite has a lot going for it. I quite like this place and the way it's run so far.

[RedFox]

It isn't balanced nor all-around, because of what follows what you just said:



Simply put, a lot of people don't draw clear lines between RPGs and "story games" the way others (like yourself) do. We can argue all day long about where the lines are, how clear the boundaries and the overlaps. And what each of the two extreme camps think and say about the "enemy".

But it really doesn't matter to some of us. We're quite happy with the diversity offered by roleplaying. And sooner or later I would hope a forum that is welcoming to all sorts of roleplaying games without going overboard in one direction or another will see the light of day. But until then, there is no such forum. RPG.net might be the closest to that but it is hampered by other problems.

That being said, RPGsite has a lot going for it. I quite like this place and the way it's run so far.

Y'know, ideological debates aside, I believe that you can discuss any RPG you want here.  Pundit has a hate-on for Nobilis, but if you started a thread actually discussing something concrete about Nobilis, whether it be your own game, some rules questions, or even a debate over the setting, I don't think you'd get rpg.net levels of thread-crapping here.

I don't see people on therpgsite deliberately pissing in each others' cheerios like I do at TBPS, which is the main thing it has going for it over TBPS at this point, IMO.

[GoldenApe]

C'mon!  It's not that bad.  And all this talk of Tangency being a community unto itself is utter nonsense!  Seriously it's not as if it has it's own livejornal blog or anything.  There is no secret community of Tangency!  

No! You've doomed us all!

[RPGPundit]

Y'know, ideological debates aside, I believe that you can discuss any RPG you want here.  Pundit has a hate-on for Nobilis, but if you started a thread actually discussing something concrete about Nobilis, whether it be your own game, some rules questions, or even a debate over the setting, I don't think you'd get rpg.net levels of thread-crapping here.

I don't see people on therpgsite deliberately pissing in each others' cheerios like I do at TBPS, which is the main thing it has going for it over TBPS at this point, IMO.

Shit, on RPG.net I made a point of not posting (as a rule) on threads that were clearly marked for "game x" if "game x" was a game I disliked or had nothing to do with.

If you talk about Nobilis as part of some other thread subject, or try to talk about nobilis on the Amber forum, or whatever, then you'll probably have a big fight on your hand.

If you start a thread about Nobilis saying how great Nobilis is, depending on how you phrase it, you might see me coming in there to tell you why it isn't.

But if you start a thread because you have a question regarding some rules element of Nobilis, or some setting element, or want to discuss something within the game, not only would I not ban you or stop the thread, I probably wouldn't comment at all.

Ditto for any other RPG I dislike. As long as its in the right forum, and serves some purpose other than singing the praises of or spreading ideological claptrap, I think its fine to post about it here.

You just won't see it specially protected by moderation the way certain pet games are over at RPG.net (while you're allowed to generally piss all over other games).

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[RedFox]

Yeah, but what I mean to get at here is that it's not just you.  I think everyone here has, so far, respected that kind of boundary.  At TBPS it's par for the course to start sideline thread-crap arguments.  It's a forum in-joke to say, "Why don't you use Exalted?" because people really say shit like that all the time.

Serious discussion is often derailed by shit like that, and it's the A #1 reason I find this place better for discussing RPGs in earnest.

[Consonant Dude]

Yeah, no argument from me. This place lets people talk.

However, there's a certain polarization toward certain games and styles. Just like story-games tends to. There are strong assumptions and inclinations due to the very way these communities grew to be.

[jrients]

Yeah, no argument from me. This place lets people talk.

However, there's a certain polarization toward certain games and styles. Just like story-games tends to. There are strong assumptions and inclinations due to the very way these communities grew to be.

Yeah.  You can talk about any RPG you like here, but you're going to get a better calibre of conversation about some games than others.  If for some reason I really needed some Exalted or Nobilis info then I'd probably be better served by heading over to RPGnet.